[Gerben47]

Scoring: IMP

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This always happens at unfavorable of course.
3♦ pass pass double
pass ?

Now what? 3♦ is middle-of-the-road type preempt, 1st favorable so 7-card suit or very good 6-card suit (KQJxxx or better).

[whereagles]

Very difficult decision. Looking at my hand I guess pard has a 4513 or 4612. We might make 5C, but it doesn't rate to be ice-cold. Heck, I'm going to pass here.

[hrothgar]

Gerben47, on Nov 11 2004, 03:24 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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This always happens at unfavorable of course.
3♦ pass pass double
pass ?

Now what? 3♦ is middle-of-the-road type preempt, 1st favorable so 7-card suit or very good 6-card suit (KQJxxx or better).

Weird hand... Particularly given my heart void.

I'm bidding a quiet 3♠, this has the advantage of keeping things low and not bypassing 3NT

[Free]

Clear 3♠ imo, 5♣ is probably too high, but it might as well be 6♣ laydown

[flytoox]

I vote for 5c. pd doesnt have 55 majors, he is short in d, so he rates to have somoe clubs. I dont want to play possible 43 fit 3s or 4s, cos the hand with long spade have to ruff diamond.

[inquiry]

Yuck, double yuck.

Partner might just be "protecting" because he is short in diamonds. We probably will set 3♦ one, maybe two tricks. On the other hand, I have a great offensive hand.

The best spot might be 4♠, 5♣ or six of either black suit. In final analysis, because I can envision game if partner has as little as...

Kxxx
xxxx
x
xxxx

(trump lead, lose diamond, trump, then heart, ruff, diamond ruff, heart ruff, heart ruff, run trumps, and squeeze WEST if he has 4♠ and 6♥ in a 4-6-1-2 hand (best defense is spade after second club).

So while we rate to set 3♦ a trick or two, being vulnerable, and having at least reasonable chances for game on any hand where partner has 3 or more clubs and a balancing double, I will simply bid 5♣. Note, after five clubs, the auction isn't over. At matchpoints, I give would admire the the red-blooded (and blood chilling), 4♠ bid here. I wouldn't bid it, but I would admire it.

If we were not vul, and at imps, I would pass 3♦x here. If we can make 5♣ we are should get this at least two, so how bad can that be (400 versus 300 to 500).

[mcphee]

Sorry but I just can't imagine passing 3D dbled when I may make 5-6 0r even 7C and bidding a 3 card suit when I have a 6 card suit , by choice no less, is something that could take place in a drunken stupor, maybe.

The choices to me are
4D intending to bid 5C over 4H seems the best solution.
5C giving up on slam
6C practical

[pclayton]

5♣. This hand looks oddly familiar to another poll we had here 3-4 months ago.

[helium]

I bid 4 S:)))
crazy as i am:)


kenneth

[luke warm]

think i'd bid 4d and take 4h out to 5c but willing to look a little deeper after 4s... so i voted 'other'

[Gerben47]

I'll give partner's hand in hidden text now. Don't peek if you have not voted!

Spoiler

KJ4
AKJ62
A83
Q2

Now this is also not a clear decision and your options are:
Double
3H
3NT

Post mortem: I bid 5♣ and played it there. As diamonds are 6-0 I won in hand and tested the water with a small diamond from hand. After some thinking West produced a spade. The Ace won and I returned to hand with a heart ruff. I played a trump, ducked by LHO (Queen wins) and another trump on which RHO discards.

As everything else was the way I needed it to be I still won the contract.
In the end all was VERY well as 3NT failed at the other table.

[Flame]

helium, on Nov 11 2004, 11:46 AM, said:

I bid 4 S:)))
crazy as i am:)


kenneth

I agree , you are crazy

[HeartA]

luke warm, on Nov 11 2004, 11:57 AM, said:

think i'd bid 4d and take 4h out to 5c but willing to look a little deeper after 4s... so i voted 'other'

That's what I would do as well.

[pclayton]

Jlall, on Nov 11 2004, 02:07 PM, said:

4D seems clear. Much too good to bid 5C. give partner a normal 4414 shape and a normal lets see 12 count (3 level but passout seat).

Kxxx
AQxx
x
Kxxx

is a slam. this is definitely an "average" hand and has half the values in hearts which is our void, and slam is STILL on.

J: I don't think you'll like ♦ lead, ♦, against 6 with this dummy but the point about making slam is valid.

[the hog]

5C.

Just saw pd's hand. He did not have a X. Surely pd had a 3N bid.

[Fluffy]

The_Hog, on Nov 12 2004, 12:30 AM, said:

5C.

Just saw pd's hand. He did not have a X. Surely pd had a 3N bid.

I can´t state it clearer

[cf_John0]

pass xfer 2 penalty.

[mcphee]

For all of the players who selected bidding some number of S I say this;
there is a new and novel approach to this game entitled, bidding what you have.

And now a suggestion to the S bidders: Do not pump your own gas, the fumes are destroying the grey cells !