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Playing a 14-16 NT, would you open
Kxx
AKx
xxx
JTxx
(this time it was 1st seat at MPs, both vulnerable, feel free to say in which other circumstances you'd open)
1♦ shows either HHxx or a 5+ suit, so 1♣ shows 2+.
If you open 1♣ (or if you pass but make clubs QTxx or QJxx) and it goes
1♣-1♦-x(4-4 in the majors)-p
what rebid do you prefer?
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9 losers or 4 controls?
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Posted 2012-April-20, 07:36
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 07:56
Pass unless you typically open hands this bad.
This really is one of the worst hands I have ever seen with an AK and a K.
This really is one of the worst hands I have ever seen with an AK and a K.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 07:58
Well that's my question: do you think you should have an agreement to typically open hands this bad (assuming you play 14-16)? Of course if your agreement is you open all 11's, you open, if your agreement is you pass all 11's, you pass.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 08:07
gwnn, on 2012-April-20, 07:58, said:
Well that's my question: do you think you should have an agreement to typically open hands this bad (assuming you play 14-16)? Of course if your agreement is you open all 11's, you open, if your agreement is you pass all 11's, you pass.
Well yes, of course.
If I have discretion on 11 counts, I pass this one.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 08:16
A 14-16 NT increases the frequency of opening 1N (14>17) and it meshes well with a semi forcing NT (you usually don't have game with the wrong 13 after 1M - 1N).
If you want to stretch your opening bids a point you can, but don't feel like you need to.
I would pass unless I were playing a strong club.
If you want to stretch your opening bids a point you can, but don't feel like you need to.
I would pass unless I were playing a strong club.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 08:46
easy opener....1c then 1nt showing my 11-13 no problem...
Pard will never expect I pass with this hand.
Pass looks like:
KJx..Qxxx...Qxx....QJx
Pard will never expect I pass with this hand.
Pass looks like:
KJx..Qxxx...Qxx....QJx
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Posted 2012-April-20, 12:34
gwnn, on 2012-April-20, 07:58, said:
Well that's my question: do you think you should have an agreement to typically open hands this bad (assuming you play 14-16)? Of course if your agreement is you open all 11's, you open, if your agreement is you pass all 11's, you pass.
I'm not sure where this thread is going.
It's not a particularly bad 11 (I'm surprised at the bad press it's getting), so if my agreement is to open, say, 'half' or 'many' 11s, I open.
after 1c 1D x P I bid 1H.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 13:18
Agreed. The shape is terrible and the auction unfortunate, but this is as good as a 4333 11-count can be, except for something like AK and an A and some tens.
I would rebid 1nt, with an eye to shape and point count-showing, leaving the ♦ stopper or lack thereof on the sideline. If partner can follow with a ♦ stopper or club support or a 5CM, great. If not, 1NT may be our best spot, diamond stopperlessness aside.
I would rebid 1nt, with an eye to shape and point count-showing, leaving the ♦ stopper or lack thereof on the sideline. If partner can follow with a ♦ stopper or club support or a 5CM, great. If not, 1NT may be our best spot, diamond stopperlessness aside.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 16:55
FrancesHinden, on 2012-April-20, 12:34, said:
I'm not sure where this thread is going.
It's not a particularly bad 11 (I'm surprised at the bad press it's getting), so if my agreement is to open, say, 'half' or 'many' 11s, I open.
after 1c 1D x P I bid 1H.
It's not a particularly bad 11 (I'm surprised at the bad press it's getting), so if my agreement is to open, say, 'half' or 'many' 11s, I open.
after 1c 1D x P I bid 1H.
We agree. I hate 4333 but this doesn't look like a trashy 11 to me with those controls and the ten in a JTxx suit.
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