[jillybean]

Here's hoping a little public shaming will help me remember...

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I don't know if you like the double,but that is what I chose.
What now?

[ArtK78]

Pass. Any other action is likely to make matters worse.

Who knows? Maybe partner has lots of diamonds.

[lalldonn]

Abstain. Sorry but I simply can not live with the double.

If it's the old "south had a heart attack after the double and I was required to fill in from that point on" I guess would bid 6♣ because partner could never imagine this hand and passing seems like a sure bad result. Maybe partner is 1363 with the diamond queen and I get very lucky?

[gszes]

I wouldnt be that happy with x even if you were
QJx
void
AJx
AQxxxxx

I still like 3c better than x (though
the x is less horrendous)(are you sure
you want p to convert the x to penalty?
p may need to take 4 tricks)

over 5d x I would bid 6c

If p cannot use the club suit 5d will be a
disaster anyway. I agree with lalldonn we
need to get lucky here to survive our
indiscretion.

[jmcw]

Yep, you got what you deserve, so don't make matters worse....just pass.

You might get a bit more sympathy had your minors been reversed.

[jillybean]

So you all start with 3♣, I didn't want to hide my nice 4 card spade suit.

I tanked, passed and went for 800, 6♣ was cold.

[tolvyrj]

I feel for u Dbl would not have been my first choice either, but in pairs comp. its not totally out of question. U must have good reason if u hide 4 card ♠ suit.
With my regular prds we play raptor for this place, wheter or not it had helped i dont know.
Just out of curiosity what would XX by u had been?

[CSGibson]

3♣ instead of double - I plan on backing in with spades later if the auction allows, but my hand is primarily about clubs. Having misbid with X, there is no way of repairing the damage - partner has a right to expect a totally different hand type.

[mike777]

I am going to guess there are some posters who will bid or at least think about bidding 5c not x with 7-4...just a guess.

[the hog]

6C now, though this does depend on whom I am playing. Note that a good player will not x 5D if he cannot deferat other high denomination contracts as well. The double is a poor call.

[aguahombre]

the hog, on 2012-April-09, 17:59, said:

6C now, though this does depend on whom I am playing. Note that a good player will not x 5D if he cannot deferat other high denomination contracts as well. The double is a poor call.

Really? Good players must have a lot more experience playing against someone who would double with that hand, and then successully pull to a club slam than I have. Is it possible those same people would pull an undoubled 5D to 6C?

[nige1]

1. Jillybean asks "Here's hoping a little public shaming will help me remember...I don't know if you like the double,but that is what I chose."
IMO 3♣ = 10, _X = 8. I don't think double is so bad. I'm sure double would get some votes with worse hands like♠ QJxx ♥ Qx ♦ Jxx ♣ AQJx. and you would still be worried about later developments.
2. Jillybean asks "What now?"
IMO Pass = 10, 6♣ = 6. Partner passed 1♥ so he may not be strong but he usually has a long suit to bid at the 5-level. He may expect more ♦ but what your ♦ suit lacks in length, it makes up in quality.

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[mgoetze]

nige1, on 2012-April-09, 18:57, said:

I'm sure double would get some votes with worse hands like♠ QJxx ♥ Qx ♦ Jxx ♣ AQJx.

Yes, and after all a 4-card clubt suit and a 7-card club suit are basically the same thing. We all know that only majors count in this game anyway.

[phil_20686]

I always think with these patterns it is better to bid your suit first, you essentially always get a chance to double dome number of hearts. I would be delighted if the auction went 1h p 2h 3c 4h p p and now I could dble. Even 4126 I would bid clubs first unless they are poor. The auction never ends in 3C when you have 0-1 heart.


Given that you did double you are now in the nightmare scenario. No idea what to do. I always just pass in these situations on a "dont make it worse", but it never turns out to be the right decision. Or maybe that's my pessimism talking.

[the hog]

aguahombre, on 2012-April-09, 18:13, said:

Really? Good players must have a lot more experience playing against someone who would double with that hand, and then successully pull to a club slam than I have. Is it possible those same people would pull an undoubled 5D to 6C?

Well, agh, I don't klnow against whom you normally play, however good players will not double a non making contract unless they know other denominations are going down as well. For example, doubling 5D here on lets say QT9xx of Ds alone is absurd.

[aguahombre]

And you think the responder to the opening bid might have that? Check the context of the thread. I have raised 1H to 2H on, say:

KXX
JXX
QT9XX
XX

And the auction goes like it went; Is there some earthly reason I shouldn't double 5D? I could wait a very long time for my LHO to have a hand which will remove to a club slam and make it. And of those times, what percentage would he only run to a club slam out of fright because I doubled ---and would have bid 6C anyway?