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How to get to game Slam is too much to ask but game is on...

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Posted 2012-April-03, 19:18



How would you have bid?

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2012-April-03, 19:27

Welcome to the Bridge World death hand. Google it.

You need special methods for this hand, or else your are guessing. In some of my partnerships, this hand is shown with a jump rebid of the minor I opened (good three card support, strong six card+ suit).
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Posted 2012-April-03, 19:29

ya....my thoughts




again tempted to bid a goofy 14-16 nt........

any event bw death hand.
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Posted 2012-April-03, 19:39

1D-1S
2D-2S. East expects the auction is over, and close to 100 percent of the time it is over.
3S.....This surprising action by West would be enough for me, as East, to bid 4. My gawd, I even have the king of diamonds.
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Posted 2012-April-03, 19:42

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-April-03, 19:39, said:

1D-1S
2D-2S. East expects the auction is over, and close to 100 percent of the time it is over.
3S.....This surprising action by West would be enough for me, as East, to bid 4. My gawd, I even have the king of diamonds.



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Posted 2012-April-03, 19:50

1 - 1
3 - 3
4

Opener has a 5 loser hand, so a 3 rebid is Ok. Responder's rebid should show 6 and invitational values.

Opener should accept.
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Posted 2012-April-03, 20:12

View Postrmnka447, on 2012-April-03, 19:50, said:

1 - 1
3 - 3
4

Opener has a 5 loser hand, so a 3 rebid is Ok. Responder's rebid should show 6 and invitational values.

Opener should accept.



actually opener has more than a 5 loser hand...given no fit promised and we are discussing a rebid
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Posted 2012-April-03, 21:31

Ya, the West hand is far too powerful to rebid 2D, especially after partner's spade bid. 2.5 losers outside of spades. Even slam has play. 1-1, 3-3, then either game or a slam inquiry.
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Posted 2012-April-03, 21:51

If it's teams I'd raise 2 to 4, or 3 to 4.

But at either scoring I'd have probably rebid 3, which may help find 3NT or perhaps slam in or or NT, and at least makes it very hard for opps to now come in with their if partner is weak. The jump rebid (in Acol) promises a good 6+ card suit with 6+ playing tricks in a decent hand, and that's what I have - the support helps, as would a better hand defensively, but you can't have both (well, you can but then would be looking for a forcing bid) B-)
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Posted 2012-April-03, 21:51

I dislike 3D as it will sometimes be passed when game could be on. I like Aguahombre's sequence in the absence of having a special way to deal with this hand.
Playing my favourite methods, I bid 2NT which shows various hand types including the BWHD.
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Posted 2012-April-03, 21:52

guys at some point pard is allowed to have a max 2d rebid.......


given the death hand we all know this is a problem


we can open 1nt
or rebid 2d
or 3d
or pard can rebid 4s over our 3s

Imean on this one we are vul...bonus.....:)
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Posted 2012-April-03, 21:59

View Postthe hog, on 2012-April-03, 21:51, said:

I dislike 3D as it will sometimes be passed when game could be on. I like Aguahombre's sequence in the absence of having a special way to deal with this hand.

Passing 3 when you would have bid on over 2 seems a little off-radar to me. Or are you expecting opps to reopen when 2 is about to be passed out, and to use that as a "leg-up"? Could you elaborate, thanks :unsure:
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Posted 2012-April-03, 22:17

Both sides have easy 4 bids with their 3rd call on this sequence. West should envision that 4 has to have good play, but it is absolutely criminal to not accept the game try as east noting the fitting K and that often there are 9 between the two hands. I'd honestly wonder whether east heard the game try and auction, although I somewhat prefer a jump rebid to 3for my 2nd west call but after hearing the 2 rebid he should take the optimistic view (esp at IMPs) and bid game.

Blame 25% west 75% east.
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Posted 2012-April-03, 23:11

View PostStatto, on 2012-April-03, 21:59, said:

Passing 3 when you would have bid on over 2 seems a little off-radar to me. Or are you expecting opps to reopen when 2 is about to be passed out, and to use that as a "leg-up"? Could you elaborate, thanks :unsure:

Rebidding 2S over 2D is merely a correction of strain. Rebidding 3S over 3D is forcing. I can envision East passing 3D with the given hand, opting for a misfit at the 3-level rather than a misfit at the 4-level if opener doesn't have spades; but East doesn't have the same concern when bidding 2S over 2D.
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Posted 2012-April-03, 23:29

I take it this hand is not a good candidate for a three-card raise. Could anyone explain why, or is this a hijack?
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Posted 2012-April-03, 23:56

View PostAntrax, on 2012-April-03, 23:29, said:

I take it this hand is not a good candidate for a three-card raise. Could anyone explain why, or is this a hijack?


This is really the point of the thing!

NAE: It depends what your agreements are after a 1D opener. Can responder bypass 4 small spades to bid 1NT? If he cannot, a 3 card raise of spades is not always going to be a good idea, because you have a very nice diamond suit which might play better than spades. I mean, he could have something like

S: Txxx
H: AQx
D: xx
C: QJxx

In which case nothing is pleasant. But conversely, you could have a different holding with 4 spades in which partner showing his Txxx is critical.
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Posted 2012-April-04, 01:40

View PostCthulhu D, on 2012-April-03, 23:56, said:

This is really the point of the thing!

NAE: It depends what your agreements are after a 1D opener. Can responder bypass 4 small spades to bid 1NT? If he cannot, a 3 card raise of spades is not always going to be a good idea, because you have a very nice diamond suit which might play better than spades. I mean, he could have something like

S: Txxx
H: AQx
D: xx
C: QJxx

In which case nothing is pleasant. But conversely, you could have a different holding with 4 spades in which partner showing his Txxx is critical.



no that is not the point...silly comments



this is a death hand for many reasons not one...... silly


death hand means we dont have a good bid.......if we do,,,,, not a death hand..silly comments
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Posted 2012-April-04, 05:16

I like a 3D rebid. That diamond suit is huge even in 3NT.

Then isn't 3S NAT GF with 6 cards? In which case W has an easy 4S bid, problem solved.

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