[pigpenz]

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this hand came up and trying to follow the law of GIB

double shows 3 card support 7-10 hcp
3♥ the law 4 card support

not wanting GIB to do anything stupid......
I guess the consensus answer is to bid 3♥ not double

[Bbradley62]

And then you will be in the same place as all the people who made a 3-card limit raise with your hand.

[pigpenz]

Bbradley62, on 2012-April-01, 06:56, said:

And then you will be in the same place as all the people who made a 3-card limit raise with your hand.

I with I had done that, since I got the 0%

they didnt make a 3 card limit raise!
they had all supported ♥'s by bidding 2♥.
My concern was what shows the best hand(for ♥support) and checking the boxes before bidding it
appears that double showed the best hand for ♥ support. Even thought it was probably
not realistic I thought there could still be hand where that might be important for getting to game.

[Bbradley62]

Wow! I thought it would have been automatic to start with 1NT intending to limit raise. Only a very small minority agreed on this hand.

[phil_20686]

The correct bid opposite a human is 3C over 2S. I have no idea how gib would understand that.

[pigpenz]

Bbradley62, on 2012-April-01, 09:52, said:

Wow! I thought it would have been automatic to start with 1NT intending to limit raise. Only a very small minority agreed on this hand.

I dont get into everything with GIB, but that is an option that is certainly plausible....I thought GIB played constructive raises, maybe it
doesnt.

[barmar]

pigpenz, on 2012-April-01, 14:29, said:

I dont get into everything with GIB, but that is an option that is certainly plausible....I thought GIB played constructive raises, maybe it
doesnt.

No, it doesn't. It will go through forcing NT to show a bad raise, but single raises are pretty normal.

Why are support doubles mentioned in the thread title? Support doubles are made by opener, not responder; they show 3-card support of responder's suit. E.g.

1♣ (P) 1♥ (1♠)
X

That X is a support double, showing exactly 3 ♥.

[pigpenz]

maybe it should be called action double then, you have max values for your initial raise
like the post said double shows 3 card support and 2 spades, but bidding 3♥ is the law
and would be 4 card heart support. so which law or mistitle of double should we break.

[cloa513]

pigpenz, on 2012-April-04, 13:18, said:

maybe it should be called action double then, you have max values for your initial raise
like the post said double shows 3 card support and 2 spades, but bidding 3♥ is the law
and would be 4 card heart support. so which law or mistitle of double should we break.

What are you gaining by acting at that point? Opener has shown some type of minimum so game would be out and it seems a bit unlikely that you can take down with GIB and your quality of play afterall you don't lead a spade when partner seems to be penalising opponents.

[pigpenz]

cloa513, on 2012-April-04, 15:17, said:

What are you gaining by acting at that point? Opener has shown some type of minimum so game would be out and it seems a bit unlikely that you can take down with GIB and your quality of play afterall you don't lead a spade when partner seems to be penalising opponents.

well seeing as it was matchpoints then we will get the same 0,if 2♠ is doubled or not...I only know what hand I have
and what the buttons tell me what the bids mean
which were:
double shows 7-10hcp 3 hearts 2 spades
3♥ 4 hearts the law