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What does (should?) this 4C bid mean?

#1 User is offline   SimonFa 

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Posted 2012-March-06, 17:58

Slight disagreement with pard when we got a bottom.

MPs, W v W

I haven't got the hands but 2D bid was something like:

Jxxx
Hx
AKTxxx
K


(1H) 2D (p) 4C

We playing 2/1.

Ops playing Acol so could be 4-card major.


What do you expect from pard and what's your bid?

As always, thanks in advance,

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Posted 2012-March-06, 18:19

A splinter? Our clubs don't seem to match the meaning, but what else? 4.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2012-March-06, 18:38

Fit-showing-jump in competition ( Club suit with good Diam support ).
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Posted 2012-March-06, 18:53

This is a matter of agreements

I play it as a fit-showing jump, agreeing diamonds & showing length & strength in clubs.

It is also possible to play it as a splinter, though obviously my hand tends to argue against that definition.

Whatever it is, it certainly implies a good hand with diamond support, and my hand is not improved by it, so I'm bidding 4.

This should never be a club preempt without diamond support, or a strong hand with clubs but without diamonds.
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Posted 2012-March-06, 19:27

Fit showing jump or splinter yeah. 4+ diamond, and either 5+ or 0-1 clubs respectively.
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Posted 2012-March-06, 20:14

Regardless of what it shows and especially if unsure, you have a real minumum, IMHO, and should just rebid 4.
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Posted 2012-March-06, 20:16

View Postneilkaz, on 2012-March-06, 20:14, said:

Regardless of what it shows and especially if unsure, you have a real minumum, IMHO, and should just rebid 4.



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Posted 2012-March-06, 20:19

Luckily, having played this game off and on since the 60's, no partner has ever presented me with this sequence.

Here is what I know:

--The condition, "2/1" doesn't apply to overcalls of their 1-bids at the 2-level.
--Our agreement that a jump-shift response to an overcall is strong doesn't apply to this one.
--My hand tells me the opponents do not have 11 or twelve clubs.
--So, when the gun is put to my head because I must to something: I guess partner's bid is fit-showing, even though That leaves the opponents with a lot of hearts and points. 4

I guess there is one more possibility: pard manufactured a "mixed" raise with 5 diamonds but not entirely broke....nondescript about his club holding. But she wouldn't do that in a B/I forum...

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2012-March-06, 20:42

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Posted 2012-March-06, 20:36

Fit showing jump for me. I would bid 4D now.
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Posted 2012-March-06, 22:30

Should be fit. Wouldnt be confident that it WAS fit with an unknown partner.
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Posted 2012-March-07, 05:39

Thanks all for the quick responses.

Sadly we don't play fit showing jumps so I took CHO for having good Clubs and an opening hand. Unfortunately he has a penchant fetish for weak jumps, yes even on this sequence, and 5C went 2 down. However it didn't really matter as 3D was the best we could do and we were destined for a bottom as all other tables played in 2 or 3 diamonds.

I shall keep trying to reign him in and suggest fit showing jumps here.

Regards,

Simon

PS This is the only partner I can get who is willing to play 2/1, the rest around here all want to play natural Acol so I will be persevering
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