[Bbradley62]

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Do we like the 2♠ bid? I'm guessing the internal rule simply requires "biddable" spades and a "biddable" minor. (Yeah, we probably don't like South's bidding either; I'm trying to get used to this new-fangled style of opening 1NT with a 5-card major, so I'm deliberately doing it more often than I should.)

[wank]

not sure what you're getting at here.

1n is fine. 2s is fine

[Bbradley62]

I know it's hopelessly old-fashioned of me to want Cappelletti two-suited bids to show 5-5, but GIB's explanations indicate that 2♠ should show 4+♠ and 5+minor. Is it common IRL to make the bid with 5♠ and 4minor?

[wank]

if you sit waiting for 10 cards in your suits, you'll do a lot of passing.

[mgoetze]

Bbradley62, on 2012-February-09, 20:59, said:

I'm trying to get used to this new-fangled style of opening 1NT with a 5-card major, so I'm deliberately doing it more often than I should.

You have strange ideas about how often you "should" be doing it. I open 1NT on hands which are a lot further away from an old-fashioned 1NT than this.

Bbradley62, on 2012-February-09, 23:22, said:

I know it's hopelessly old-fashioned of me to want Cappelletti two-suited bids to show 5-5, but GIB's explanations indicate that 2♠ should show 4+♠ and 5+minor. Is it common IRL to make the bid with 5♠ and 4minor?

Yes, you are hopelessly old-fashioned, and GIB's system is just stupid. The bid should always show 5+ spades and a 4+ minor, not the other way around.

[EricK]

Bbradley62, on 2012-February-09, 23:22, said:

I know it's hopelessly old-fashioned of me to want Cappelletti two-suited bids to show 5-5, but GIB's explanations indicate that 2♠ should show 4+♠ and 5+minor. Is it common IRL to make the bid with 5♠ and 4minor?

I think GIB's explanation means that it can be 4/5 either way. i.e. the 4+S means that it might have 4S (in which case it has 5m) or it might have 5S (in which case it might only have 4m)

[Bbradley62]

EricK, on 2012-February-10, 13:41, said:

I think GIB's explanation means that it can be 4/5 either way. i.e. the 4+S means that it might have 4S (in which case it has 5m) or it might have 5S (in which case it might only have 4m)

But the explanation of 3♣ very clearly says "5+C".

[EricK]

Bbradley62, on 2012-February-10, 17:21, said:

But the explanation of 3♣ very clearly says "5+C".

I never spotted that! That puts a different complexion on things.

[barmar]

The rule for making the Capp overcall is that one of the suits be biddable and the other be rebiddable, but it's not specific about which.

The response to 2N just shows its better minor. It claims to be 5+, but since the 2♠ bid didn't actually require a 5-card minor, it isn't necessarily. I'm not sure why it says that, unless the rule for Capp was changed and they forgot to fix the followon to match it. It should just say "biddable C".

[xxhong]

To play a quite sound style of capp at direct seat, I think 5-5 when red is almost a must (exception is very strong 5-4 two suiters and some extra values/shape), which means that you have to pass many 5-4 hands. Of course, gib's current style isn't very sound.

Bbradley62, on 2012-February-09, 20:59, said:

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Do we like the 2♠ bid? I'm guessing the internal rule simply requires "biddable" spades and a "biddable" minor. (Yeah, we probably don't like South's bidding either; I'm trying to get used to this new-fangled style of opening 1NT with a 5-card major, so I'm deliberately doing it more often than I should.)

[barmar]

This is one of the reasons I think Capp is a horrible convention over strong NT. I much prefer DONT, and lately I've been migrating to Meckwell. It's much safer to bid 4-5 hands when you're pretty sure you'll be stopping on the 2 level.

But for whatever reason, Capp has always been the popular choice among the online hoi poloi, so it makes sense for GIB to play it.

Note that the requirement that both suits be at least biddable means that they'll often be 5 cards. A 4-card suit has to be headed by A, KQ, KJ, or 3 of 5 honors to be biddable. I wonder what the odds are of holding one of these 4-card suits is when an opponent has opened strong NT.

[mgoetze]

barmar, on 2012-February-13, 13:55, said:

But for whatever reason, Capp has always been the popular choice among the online hoi poloi, so it makes sense for GIB to play it.

Back when random pickups actually had some modicum of system discussion, this may have been true, and even then only among Americans. Nowadays "undiscussed" seems to be the big favourite.

[barmar]

mgoetze, on 2012-February-13, 20:15, said:

Back when random pickups actually had some modicum of system discussion, this may have been true, and even then only among Americans. Nowadays "undiscussed" seems to be the big favourite.

True. I was mostly basing it on what I often see in profiles.