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Surely if I had the description of 5D bid I would have chosen 4NT or 6D.
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error in description? leading to inappropriate raise?
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Posted 2012-January-19, 16:09
I'm not sure what you mean. You couldn't see the description of 5♦ before you bid it?
GIB thinks the right bid after 3♦ with the South hand is 3NT. North will pass this, and it will go down 1.
If you want to insist on ♦, bid 4♦. This is game forcing, and North will bid 5♦. This also goes down 1 (3NT on a spade lead needs the same club finesse).
GIB thinks the right bid after 3♦ with the South hand is 3NT. North will pass this, and it will go down 1.
If you want to insist on ♦, bid 4♦. This is game forcing, and North will bid 5♦. This also goes down 1 (3NT on a spade lead needs the same club finesse).
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Posted 2012-January-19, 16:52
It appears to me that Calm01 is suggesting that this should be a fast-arrival situation. With a game-going hand that is not interested in slam, he thinks the system should be to simply bid game over 3♦.
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Posted 2012-January-20, 14:33
The part I didn't understand was "if I had the description of 5D bid". Now I get it -- he's saying that if he had the hand GIB thinks 5♦ showed, he would have bid something other than 5♦.
I'm not sure what's normal here. Fast arrival is generally used for majors, generally not for NT, and I don't know about minors.
Here's what I think the logic of the current rules is:
GIB's normal approach after MSS with only a game-strength hand is to either show shortness or bid 3NT if it doesn't have any. If it wants to explore for slam and doesn't have shortness, 4♦ would invite opener to cue bid with a max. If iyou don't bother requesting cue bids, the inference is that trump quality is what you need to know (this is the same reason that jumping to 5 of a major is a trump quality ask, although there it's more obvious because you've jumped past game).
I'm not sure what's normal here. Fast arrival is generally used for majors, generally not for NT, and I don't know about minors.
Here's what I think the logic of the current rules is:
GIB's normal approach after MSS with only a game-strength hand is to either show shortness or bid 3NT if it doesn't have any. If it wants to explore for slam and doesn't have shortness, 4♦ would invite opener to cue bid with a max. If iyou don't bother requesting cue bids, the inference is that trump quality is what you need to know (this is the same reason that jumping to 5 of a major is a trump quality ask, although there it's more obvious because you've jumped past game).
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