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Law 12 in a specific case Originally posted on Appeals Forum in error - sorry

#21 User is offline   mjk43 

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Posted 2012-January-20, 01:45

Many thanks for all of the helpful comments which came quickly in response to my query. I understand that East doubled when North "had shown" a minor two suiter but would not have done on a correct explanation because East's club suit was a positive factor in the former situation and would have been neutral or negative in the latter.

What I take from the comments overall is that although not 100% clear cut, most of the experienced people who commented would, like me, have awarded an adjustment.
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Posted 2012-January-24, 09:17

Perhaps I have been spoiled by having the luxury of playing (and directing) in larger games with non-playing directors available. Irrespective of this, I believe that the director could reopen the auction and allow the pass to be withdrawn under L21B1(a). As others have stated, the adjusted score can be made, but I see no reason - save perhaps that the director wasn't available when the correction was offered.

Escaping scrutiny here is that through poor bidding, NS missed the ♥ contract for an even better score. Did other pairs find it?
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Posted 2012-January-24, 09:39

What people did at other tables is not relevant to the ruling at this table.
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Posted 2012-January-24, 10:22

View Postschulken, on 2012-January-24, 09:17, said:

Perhaps I have been spoiled by having the luxury of playing (and directing) in larger games with non-playing directors available. Irrespective of this, I believe that the director could reopen the auction and allow the pass to be withdrawn under L21B1(a). As others have stated, the adjusted score can be made, but I see no reason - save perhaps that the director wasn't available when the correction was offered.

Allowing the final pass to be withdrawn wouldn't help matters - it was the final double that is under discussion, and it's too late to withdraw that.
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Posted 2012-January-24, 12:43

View PostAlexJonson, on 2012-January-19, 15:09, said:

If you told me that you were polling me, but you might or might not be influenced by my answer, you would save both of us a small effort, because I would not take part in your poll.

Of course. But since I would be influenced by your answer, I would not say that, would I?
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Posted 2012-January-24, 16:24

View Postblackshoe, on 2012-January-24, 09:39, said:

What people did at other tables is not relevant to the ruling at this table.

Understand. I was just curious.
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Posted 2012-January-24, 16:24

View Postbluejak, on 2012-January-24, 12:43, said:

Of course. But since I would be influenced by your answer, I would not say that, would I?

Of course, you're right. Sorry, I got ahead of myself.
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