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Posted 2012-January-12, 18:57

View Postgnasher, on 2012-January-12, 17:34, said:

I don't think it's that that hard to find. The bidding and lead make it obvious that LHO is 4603 or conceivably 4702. It's also obvious that the right line is to score as many trumps as we can, so a club ruff at trick two is clear. Having done that, what can you possibly do except lead a low spade, perhaps after cashing a top trump?

Andy beat me to an almost identical tho more verbose (why is no-one surprised) post. I would expect any good player to make this easily. We start by assuming that we can't let E on play....so W has to hold the spade cards...then it's trivial.
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Posted 2012-January-12, 19:11

East could possibly be 3244 with West 4513, though the distribution does seem to be fairly marked.

View PostMrAce, on 2012-January-12, 17:50, said:

Seems very tuff to get it right but i think east may help declarer with his discard on 2nd .

You don't want to play a 2nd round of . After A, ruff, A, next I think small to the Jack is best.

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I admit i maybe influenced by knowing 4 hands but a focused declarer wld get it right imo :)

I admit to being influenced by playing it through a DD Solver :)

It would make an interesting play problem... B-)
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Posted 2012-January-12, 20:01

View PostStatto, on 2012-January-12, 19:11, said:



You don't want to play a 2nd round of . After A, ruff, A, next I think small to the Jack is best.


Tell me what difference does it make and i will say uncle. I play A of and then J of , your turn..It is same bro :)

See Andy and Mikeh's post. I was being moderate about thinking that most wld not but a good declarer shd get it right. They think it is very easy for good players and i wldnt be surprised to see this is a true statement.
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Posted 2012-January-12, 21:31

View PostMrAce, on 2012-January-12, 20:01, said:

Tell me what difference does it make and i will say uncle. I play A of and then J of , your turn..It is same bro :)

Swap K and Q between the hands (we're told 1 only promised 10hcp), and at trick 4 still works whereas gives defenders a chance. (Or maybe West sheds K when you ruff the , tho this probably gives the game away anyway.)
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Posted 2012-January-12, 21:37

View PostStatto, on 2012-January-12, 21:31, said:

(we're told 1 only promised 10hcp)

Sorry, that's irrelevant, East gains a hcp from the K/Q swap :ph34r:
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Posted 2012-January-13, 00:43

View PostStatto, on 2012-January-12, 21:37, said:

Sorry, that's irrelevant, East gains a hcp from the K/Q swap :ph34r:


Also there are other things that doesnt add up. Such as leading small from KQx :) A good declarer can read the shapes from bidding easily.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 01:10

View Postgnasher, on 2012-January-12, 15:33, said:

So Justin did well, conceding only 360 when the rest of us lost 670.


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Posted 2012-January-13, 01:40

View PostArtK78, on 2012-January-12, 16:58, said:

From OP:

Note: The opening bid by East may be made on as few as 10HCP at this vulnerability.

So this should not be a surprise.

But that hand is too bad- 10HCP should be with minors Kxxx AKxxx or with a four card major and hand quality as given with honours in diamonds and the 4 card Major. The given hand is either open weak 2 or even more aggressively 3 or pass.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 06:09

I can't see anything wrong with opening the East hand - for me it is normal - but suspect a 1 rebid is more judicious. I am surprised there were not more doubled heart contracts on this board (only 2X twice, 3X 5 times and 4X once).
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Posted 2012-January-13, 08:03

View PostMrAce, on 2012-January-13, 00:43, said:

Also there are other things that doesnt add up. Such as leading small from KQx :) A good declarer can read the shapes from bidding easily.

I meant if West has Q10x and East K9xx, but everything else is as it is. Then the bidding and lead are all consistent, but a is required at trick 4, J won't do.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 10:58

View PostStatto, on 2012-January-13, 08:03, said:

I meant if West has Q10x and East K9xx, but everything else is as it is. Then the bidding and lead are all consistent, but a is required at trick 4, J won't do.


Oh i now see what u mean, i thought u said if West had KQx , my bad sorry :(

J also wont do at trick 4 when west has KTx as it is in original deal, u dont need to swap anything. He simply unblocks K on 2nd when declarer ruffed.
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Posted 2012-January-15, 14:57

What's up with bashing pard's opening? Give him the club J and it would still be the same.

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