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Ignoring the overall silliness of this auction, I'm curious about what people think the 3D bid should show. I wanted to bid 3D as competitive because I don't want to defend 3C when we have a 9 card fit and I'm not sure partner can compete if I pass. 3D shows substantial extras, so this causes my partner to look for game (and in turn my opponents to go nuts). In auctions like I think it is much more useful to be able to compete than to be able to show extra values. What do others think? I also probably would bid 2D the first time if I were GIB.
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Competing or Showing Extra Values
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Posted 2011-December-21, 18:24
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Posted 2011-December-21, 23:00
fuburules3, on 2011-December-21, 18:24, said:
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Ignoring the overall silliness of this auction, I'm curious about what people think the 3D bid should show. I wanted to bid 3D as competitive because I don't want to defend 3C when we have a 9 card fit and I'm not sure partner can compete if I pass. 3D shows substantial extras, so this causes my partner to look for game (and in turn my opponents to go nuts). In auctions like I think it is much more useful to be able to compete than to be able to show extra values. What do others think? I also probably would bid 2D the first time if I were GIB.
Ignoring the overall silliness of this auction, I'm curious about what people think the 3D bid should show. I wanted to bid 3D as competitive because I don't want to defend 3C when we have a 9 card fit and I'm not sure partner can compete if I pass. 3D shows substantial extras, so this causes my partner to look for game (and in turn my opponents to go nuts). In auctions like I think it is much more useful to be able to compete than to be able to show extra values. What do others think? I also probably would bid 2D the first time if I were GIB.
It was probably desparately simulating that the auction would end with South doubling 1♥ and taking 1 heart down 2 for a win.
Anyway GIB should bid 3♦ over 2♣
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Posted 2011-December-22, 07:11
cloa513, on 2011-December-21, 23:00, said:
Anyway GIB should bid 3♦ over 2♣
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Posted 2011-December-22, 18:42
Bbradley62, on 2011-December-22, 07:11, said:
Showing what?
4 ♦- good hand.
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Posted 2011-December-22, 18:57
No, GIB needs 5 ♦ to jump to 3♦.
For some reason, the LAW rules aren't matching this auction, which is why it thinks South is showing extra values. Georgi, can you investigate this?
For some reason, the LAW rules aren't matching this auction, which is why it thinks South is showing extra values. Georgi, can you investigate this?
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Posted 2011-December-26, 11:46
2♦ doesn't seem bad. It seems like delayed support which should ring alarm why it was delayed.
It should be always with good length in the overcall, most likely 5+, as with 4th GIB wouldn't miss to give fit.
However, the 3♦ showing 17-18TP no matter the diamond length is likely 100% GF for North having 10TP. This is how it comes the 3♥ GF bid.
Then the simulation probably shows the defending either 4♠ or 5♣ is better then 5♦. Especially with the opps' vulnerability.
The 3♦ looks like competitive as partner has shown support as well.
Comparing with the other kind of auction, which is logically similar, here shows different requirement.
1♦ (human ) - 1♠(LHO) - 2♦ ( partner , support ) - 2♥ (RHO)
3♦ - 5+ ♦; 11+ HCP; 12-16 total points
So likely that's the adjust which will help North and respectively EW to proceed properly.
It should be always with good length in the overcall, most likely 5+, as with 4th GIB wouldn't miss to give fit.
However, the 3♦ showing 17-18TP no matter the diamond length is likely 100% GF for North having 10TP. This is how it comes the 3♥ GF bid.
Then the simulation probably shows the defending either 4♠ or 5♣ is better then 5♦. Especially with the opps' vulnerability.
The 3♦ looks like competitive as partner has shown support as well.
Comparing with the other kind of auction, which is logically similar, here shows different requirement.
1♦ (human ) - 1♠(LHO) - 2♦ ( partner , support ) - 2♥ (RHO)
3♦ - 5+ ♦; 11+ HCP; 12-16 total points
So likely that's the adjust which will help North and respectively EW to proceed properly.
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