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#1 User is offline   fuburules3 

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Posted 2011-December-21, 18:24

http://tinyurl.com/7l9vv6v

Ignoring the overall silliness of this auction, I'm curious about what people think the 3D bid should show. I wanted to bid 3D as competitive because I don't want to defend 3C when we have a 9 card fit and I'm not sure partner can compete if I pass. 3D shows substantial extras, so this causes my partner to look for game (and in turn my opponents to go nuts). In auctions like I think it is much more useful to be able to compete than to be able to show extra values. What do others think? I also probably would bid 2D the first time if I were GIB.
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Posted 2011-December-21, 23:00

View Postfuburules3, on 2011-December-21, 18:24, said:

http://tinyurl.com/7l9vv6v

Ignoring the overall silliness of this auction, I'm curious about what people think the 3D bid should show. I wanted to bid 3D as competitive because I don't want to defend 3C when we have a 9 card fit and I'm not sure partner can compete if I pass. 3D shows substantial extras, so this causes my partner to look for game (and in turn my opponents to go nuts). In auctions like I think it is much more useful to be able to compete than to be able to show extra values. What do others think? I also probably would bid 2D the first time if I were GIB.

It was probably desparately simulating that the auction would end with South doubling 1♥ and taking 1 heart down 2 for a win.
Anyway GIB should bid 3♦ over 2♣
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Posted 2011-December-22, 07:11

View Postcloa513, on 2011-December-21, 23:00, said:

Anyway GIB should bid 3♦ over 2♣
Showing what?
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Posted 2011-December-22, 18:42

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-December-22, 07:11, said:

Showing what?

4 ♦- good hand.
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Posted 2011-December-22, 18:57

No, GIB needs 5 ♦ to jump to 3♦.

For some reason, the LAW rules aren't matching this auction, which is why it thinks South is showing extra values. Georgi, can you investigate this?

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Posted 2011-December-26, 11:46

2♦ doesn't seem bad. It seems like delayed support which should ring alarm why it was delayed.

It should be always with good length in the overcall, most likely 5+, as with 4th GIB wouldn't miss to give fit.

However, the 3♦ showing 17-18TP no matter the diamond length is likely 100% GF for North having 10TP. This is how it comes the 3♥ GF bid.

Then the simulation probably shows the defending either 4♠ or 5♣ is better then 5♦. Especially with the opps' vulnerability.

The 3♦ looks like competitive as partner has shown support as well.

Comparing with the other kind of auction, which is logically similar, here shows different requirement.

1♦ (human ) - 1♠(LHO) - 2♦ ( partner , support ) - 2♥ (RHO)
3♦ - 5+ ♦; 11+ HCP; 12-16 total points

So likely that's the adjust which will help North and respectively EW to proceed properly.

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