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Opening bids?

Poll: Which of the 2 hands you would open? (16 member(s) have cast votes)

Which of the 2 hands you would open?

  1. none (2 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  2. both (4 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. only A (4 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  4. only B (6 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

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#1 User is offline   xx1943 

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Posted 2004-October-16, 09:43

Hi all,

Hand A:
Scoring: IMP

Hand B:
Scoring: IMP


I'm interested in your opinions which of the two hands you would open first seat white against red in the first hand of a long team-match.

I prefer to open both. But the second only, because I play the weak NT (12-14).

But if I had to decide, that I'm allowed only one of them to open, I would choose the unbalanced 9 pointer.

Would the vulnerability or the type of scoring change your mind in one way or the other?

Cheers

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Posted 2004-October-16, 13:26

Hi,


I would not open hand A. If opps end up playing in a major I have good defense,
If my partner opens or overcalls, we will probably be in / game.

Hand B, I would open and pass any 1level response from partner. If I pass it gives the opps a free ride.
(I play 15-17 nt)

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ooops - wrong again ! :)

This post has been edited by jillybean2: 2004-October-17, 00:14

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Posted 2004-October-16, 13:54

This look familiar to me... I am fairly sure I held both of two hands or two very similar ones... I opened with A and passed with B. And would do it agian... I would open B if playing 11-14 1NT.... but if not, pass...

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Posted 2004-October-16, 14:20

I would open A as it has an easy rebid and looks like a playable hand


I would not open B as when ever I do open something like ethat I get in all sorts of trouble
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Posted 2004-October-16, 15:52

inquiry, on Oct 17 2004, 05:54 AM, said:

This look familiar to me... I am fairly sure I held both of two hands or two very similar ones... I opened with A and passed with B. And would do it agian... I would open B if playing 11-14 1NT.... but if not, pass...

Ben

Paradox for me -
I agree the first hand is better than the second.
However with my partner and playing Polish C I would open the second and not the first. You need to do what fits into the system best.
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Posted 2004-October-16, 16:21

in this new system, it's close on hand 1 but i'd open it 1H (canape)... i'd pass partner's 1S bid, bid 2S over 2C and pass a 2D bid... 1NT is 10+ forcing, so i'd bid 2S over it

on hand 2 i'd pass, and i play weak nt... a weak nt needs 2 controls unless max point count.. this hand might be lucky to take 3 tricks
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Posted 2004-October-16, 16:33

I'd open both, but I open a lot of hands others don't.

Hand 1 is interesting - you hope you don't wind up
in 3NT with 23 hcp and a misfit, but with ~80%
chance of a major suit fit and two aces, bid.

I agree with others that hand 2 is bad, but fine for a
weak NT.

Jimmy - what is your new system, and why doesn't
it allow opening a 13 count a weak NT?

Have you found that old time ACBL religion :)

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Posted 2004-October-16, 16:43

xx1943, on Oct 17 2004, 04:43 AM, said:

Hi all,

Hand A:
Scoring: IMP

QJ2
QJ2
QJ2
KJ32
 


I'm interested in your opinions which of the two hands you would open first seat white against red in the first hand of a long team-match.

I prefer to open both. But the second only, because I play the weak NT (12-14).

But if I had to decide, that I'm allowed only one of them to open, I would choose the unbalanced 9 pointer.

Would the vulnerability or the type of scoring change your mind in one way or the other?

Cheers

Al

My reg P and I play Precision ( with some bells and whistles) and much as I would LOVE to open the first one OUR version does not allow a weak 2M with another 4 card suit -- so PASS

Hand 2 open 1NT ( 13-15) -- but reluctantly I admit because of paucity of controls BUT we are white V red :D
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Posted 2004-October-16, 18:24

For me, the question isn't offensive strength, it's partner's expectations.

In SAYC, partner's going to expect me to have three defensive tricks, and bid accordingly.
Two aces is almost enough, but not quite.

The ACBL's General Convention Card unfortunately won't allow me to open 2 with the first hand. Otherwise, in Precision, I have an easy 2 bid on the first hand and 1NT bid on the second.
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Posted 2004-October-16, 18:49

pbleighton, on Oct 17 2004, 12:33 AM, said:

Jimmy - what is your new system, and why doesn't
it allow opening a 13 count a weak NT?

Have you found that old time ACBL religion  :D

Peter

lol... nah, maybe hand 2 would be worth an opening... but the way i play, with 2D forcing stayman eventually asking for controls, a minimum hand requires 2 controls... the 13 count makes this a close call, but i'd honestly be tempted to pass it... it looks more fitting for defense, tho bidding could be right

the new system is mike777's... well, actually it's larry weiss' from the 60s, based on blue club mostly... the bids are:

2 suited 1 bids, 11-16/17, canape
1 suited 2 bids, 11-16 with 6+ cards
12-15 nt w/ 2-way stayman
1c=16+ if balanced, 17+ if unbalanced with a major, 18+ if unbalanced minor

i've been doing my normal kibbing and seeing how it would bid most hands, as well as looking at the ones posted here... very interesting to do that
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Posted 2004-October-17, 00:28

Learning old buddy's 2/1 light opening system...but not EHAA, both of these are easy openings. All junky 11 hcp and many shape/shortness hand ones.
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Posted 2004-October-17, 08:05

Hello

would opening 2s for first be stretching a little ?

and what problems would be created by opening 1c inthe second?
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Posted 2004-October-17, 08:45

Playing with a competent partner I wouldn't open either hand. Neither of them have the playing strength partner will count on. I'm not worried about getting a chance to bid with either hand. I've passed these sorts of hands regularly. If I don't get to bid, I am usually getting a plus on defense. A good partner will cooperate to back us in to the auction if it is appropriate.
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