[inquiry]

Scoring: IMP


West North East South
  -      -     Pass  Pass
 1♣    Dbl   1♠    2♠*
 DBL   3♦  Pass  Pass
 3♠  Pass  Pass   4♦
 Pass  Pass   Pass 

*Ok, 2♠ is equality method showing generally balanced hand, with both red suits. You will have probably bid this differently.

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Maybe this should be Advance Plus Quiz. Diamonds were played a lot, but only once through dumb defense did it make 10 tricks. But we can do better… Best line wins…

Here are first four tricks… good luck

T1. ♣K ♣A ♣2 ♣5
T2. ♦2 ♦7 ♦K ♦A
T3. ♣3 ♣6 ♣Q ♣J
T4. ♦6 ♦Q S7 ♦3

This played may 10, 2004 on BBO

[helium]

Well its clear that east have 5-4-2-2.

Ill ruff a spade and play small hart against Q.
hope west have Kx

[inquiry]

helium, on Oct 16 2004, 02:00 PM, said:

Well its clear that east have 5-4-2-2.

Ill ruff a spade and play small hart against Q.
hope west have Kx

west showed out on second diamond..... do you really think east is 4225?

[helium]

inquiry, on Oct 16 2004, 01:13 PM, said:

helium, on Oct 16 2004, 02:00 PM, said:

Well its clear that east have 5-4-2-2.

Ill ruff a spade and play small hart against Q.
hope west have Kx

west showed out on second diamond..... do you really think east is 4225?

did west show out on 2 dimond? it dosent say so in your first post.
and i think if d are 2-2 that east have 5♠-4♥-2♦-2♣

[Fluffy]

I dunno what 5422 you mean, but ♦ are 3-1 so it is hard for both to have .

I would say west has 3235 and has made a support double. And since he doesn´t have ♦A nor ♣K he has to have THE REST of hcp to have an opening.

That means ♥K is probably second with west.

The only way to make is not winning the ♦ with the ♦Q but on dummy. Ruff 2♣ adn finally duck a second ♥ on air.

Alternativelly you will win if the bare ♥K appears of course.

[inquiry]

Sorry,,, i got the hands upside down, clearly form the auction, north is the declarer..... Let me have another go at it.... so the cading is more obvious.....

Scoring: IMP

West North East South
Pass Pass 1♣ Dbl
1♠ 2♠* DBL 3♦
Pass Pass 3♠ Pass
Pass 4♦ Pass Pass
Pass

*Ok, 2♠ is equality method showing generally balanced hand, with both red suits. You will have probably bid this differently.

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Here are first four tricks… good luck
T1. ♣K ♣A ♣2 ♣5 <<--- club lead by the 1♠ bidder
T2. ♦2 ♦7 ♦K ♦A <<-- Diamond King taken by the 1♠ bidder with ACE
T3. ♣3 ♣6 ♣Q ♣J <<--- both follow to the 2nd club
T4. ♦6 ♦Q S7 ♦3 <<--- the 1♠ bidder shows on 2nd round of diamonds

This is identical to the way presented, but i had declarer as "north" causing perhaps some confusion.. As declarer.. your RHO opened 1♣, you LHO bid 1♠

Ben

[helium]

sry my foult see now he din have more then 1 ♦ so have to be 5-5-1-2 or 5-4-1-3, the first is most lighly after the K lead so ill play west for singelton K in hart:))

[luke warm]

[quote name='inquiry' date='Oct 16 2004, 09:10 PM']

Scoring: IMP

♠   ♥ AJ32 ♦ T9532 ♣ A976
♠ K864 ♥ Q74 ♦ KQJ4 ♣ J5

West  North East  South
Pass  Pass 1[cl] Dbl
1[sp] 2[sp]* DBL 3[di] 
Pass  Pass  3[sp]  Pass
Pass  4[di] Pass  Pass 
Pass
[/quote]
my thoughts are like fluffy's... west should be 6412 and east 3235... further, east needs the [he]K (in my mind) to open, because without it he has a flattish 9 count missing spades... this isn't a given, but it's my thoughts

i'd have ducked the first club, taken the 2nd, and ruffed the 3rd high... then exit with the [di]Q... when west leads, he probably exits with a spade, which i ruff, leaving this:

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown then i ruff my last club high and lead a trump to hand, draw the last and lead a low heart... east probably takes his king and exits another club.. my hand should be high unless i missed something "Paul Krugman is a stupid person's idea of what a smart person sounds like." Newt Gingrich (paraphrased) 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #9   cnszsun  Group: Yellows Posts: 720 Joined: 2004-January-06 Location:CHINA Posted 2004-October-17, 18:35 I suppose East has a hand like this: ♠Axx ♥Kx ♦xxx ♣QTxxx Ruff a ♠ in dummy, play ♥A, if ♥K not drop, then cash ♦T and play small ♥ to East's King, he is endplayed. He has to setup a trick in ♠ or ♣ for you. One interesting point, if East droped his King under ♥A, you have to play another way, return to hand in ♥, ruff 2nd ♠, ♦J, duck 3rd ♠ to setup ♠K. Michael Sun Back to top of the page up there ^ #10   inquiry  Group: Admin Posts: 14,566 Joined: 2003-February-13 Gender:Male Location:Amelia Island, FL Interests:Bridge, what else? Posted 2004-October-18, 09:57 Yes, after WEST shows up with Club KING and DIAMOND ACE, it is not hard to see the other cards of interest with EAST (he could have psyched of course, but his partner passed first seat and didn't go overboard bidding, so the psyche is not possible...). I disagree with Michaels assessment of EAST as having ♠Axx ♥Kx ♦xxx ♣QTxxx, because that means his partner passed first seat with ♠QJxxxx ♥xxxx ♦A ♣Kx, ok some people might pass with that (not me), but no one would go quitely after partner first doubles 2♠ and then raises to ♠. Also, if EAST had that hand, he would have let you play 3♦ out of both fear to push you to game (his partner was passed hand), fear his partner might think he is serious and raise to 4♠, and fear his partner has only 4 spades (if 1♠ didn't promise 5). Some answers are close... anymore input before the hands are shown? Ben --Ben-- Back to top of the page up there ^ #11   bingo  Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 2004-October-18 Posted 2004-October-18, 14:12 It seems to me you have to play east for either singleton or doubleton K of hearts and play to throw east in for an endplay - to eliminate the need for 2 ruffs (lose 1 trick now, gain 2 tricks later). Based on the bidding, it seems that east has a singleton. So, play the last diamond to hand and play a low heart toward the queen (not that it matters which hand you play the heart from). East now must lead away from either the Ace of spades or the 10 of clubs (which based on the bidding and play she surely has). This sets up either the K of spades or your 9 of clubs. My thoughts anyway. --Matt 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #12   DrTodd13  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,156 Joined: 2003-July-03 Location:Portland, Oregon Posted 2004-October-18, 14:47 Fluffy, on Oct 16 2004, 06:55 PM, said: I dunno what 5422 you mean, but ♦ are 3-1 so it is hard for both to have . I would say west has 3235 and has made a support double. And since he doesn´t have ♦A nor ♣K he has to have THE REST of hcp to have an opening. That means ♥K is probably second with west. The only way to make is not winning the ♦ with the ♦Q but on dummy. Ruff 2♣ adn finally duck a second ♥ on air. Alternativelly you will win if the bare ♥K appears of course. LOL. I used to use logic like we have 21, LHO opened and RHO has already shown 7 so LHO must have the rest of the points to have an opening. This logic used to work but it doesn't work anymore. LHO is a 3rd seat opener. Have you seen what people are bidding on these days? Yesterday, I opened a 2nd seat 1N (15-17) non-vul vs vul and my LHO overcalled 2C with 2434 and 7 HCP (and no they weren't playing DONT...2C was "natural")!!!!! Anyway, that ends my daily rant on the increasing meaninglessness (i.e., stupidity) of bidding on BBO. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #13   whereagles  Group: Advanced Members Posts: 14,900 Joined: 2004-May-11 Gender:Male Location:Portugal Interests:Everything! Posted 2004-October-19, 04:14 I was under the impression declarer could have taken 2nd diam in dummy, and play to ruff two clubs high. But he didn't do that, so what did I miss? 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #14   inquiry  Group: Admin Posts: 14,566 Joined: 2003-February-13 Gender:Male Location:Amelia Island, FL Interests:Bridge, what else? Posted 2004-October-19, 05:11 whereagles, on Oct 19 2004, 06:14 AM, said: I was under the impression declarer could have taken 2nd diam in dummy, and play to ruff two clubs high. But he didn't do that, so what did I miss? Nothing.. he could have, and it would work fine.. one of the problem with "real world" hands.... but back to where he didn't... Answer coming today.... Ben --Ben-- Back to top of the page up there ^ #15   bingo  Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 2004-October-18 Posted 2004-October-19, 10:33 After thinking some more about it, I think it is cold regardless of whether west has singleton or doubleton king of hearts. At trick 5 play a heart to the Ace, if west shows up with the singleton king, then play a heart to the queen - it does west no good to ruff, then heart to the jack, again west cannot ruff or the endplay is still on and you now have a second ruff in dummy. Now you can play on high cross-ruff lines, being sure to ruff a club first, then a spade, then last club etc... losing last heart trick. If the heart does not drop under the ace after trick 5, cash a third diamond and then lead a low heart. Now west is endplayed as before. 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[cnszsun]

I suppose East has a hand like this: ♠Axx ♥Kx ♦xxx ♣QTxxx
Ruff a ♠ in dummy, play ♥A, if ♥K not drop, then cash ♦T and play small ♥ to East's King, he is endplayed. He has to setup a trick in ♠ or ♣ for you. One interesting point, if East droped his King under ♥A, you have to play another way, return to hand in ♥, ruff 2nd ♠, ♦J, duck 3rd ♠ to setup ♠K.

[inquiry]

Yes, after WEST shows up with Club KING and DIAMOND ACE, it is not hard to see the other cards of interest with EAST (he could have psyched of course, but his partner passed first seat and didn't go overboard bidding, so the psyche is not possible...).

I disagree with Michaels assessment of EAST as having ♠Axx ♥Kx ♦xxx ♣QTxxx, because that means his partner passed first seat with ♠QJxxxx ♥xxxx ♦A ♣Kx, ok some people might pass with that (not me), but no one would go quitely after partner first doubles 2♠ and then raises to ♠. Also, if EAST had that hand, he would have let you play 3♦ out of both fear to push you to game (his partner was passed hand), fear his partner might think he is serious and raise to 4♠, and fear his partner has only 4 spades (if 1♠ didn't promise 5).

Some answers are close... anymore input before the hands are shown?
Ben

[bingo]

It seems to me you have to play east for either singleton or doubleton K of hearts and play to throw east in for an endplay - to eliminate the need for 2 ruffs (lose 1 trick now, gain 2 tricks later). Based on the bidding, it seems that east has a singleton. So, play the last diamond to hand and play a low heart toward the queen (not that it matters which hand you play the heart from). East now must lead away from either the Ace of spades or the 10 of clubs (which based on the bidding and play she surely has). This sets up either the K of spades or your 9 of clubs. My thoughts anyway.

--Matt

[DrTodd13]

Fluffy, on Oct 16 2004, 06:55 PM, said:

I dunno what 5422 you mean, but ♦ are 3-1 so it is hard for both to have .

I would say west has 3235 and has made a support double. And since he doesn´t have ♦A nor ♣K he has to have THE REST of hcp to have an opening.

That means ♥K is probably second with west.

The only way to make is not winning the ♦ with the ♦Q but on dummy. Ruff 2♣ adn finally duck a second ♥ on air.

Alternativelly you will win if the bare ♥K appears of course.

LOL. I used to use logic like we have 21, LHO opened and RHO has already shown 7 so LHO must have the rest of the points to have an opening. This logic used to work but it doesn't work anymore. LHO is a 3rd seat opener. Have you seen what people are bidding on these days? Yesterday, I opened a 2nd seat 1N (15-17) non-vul vs vul and my LHO overcalled 2C with 2434 and 7 HCP (and no they weren't playing DONT...2C was "natural")!!!!! Anyway, that ends my daily rant on the increasing meaninglessness (i.e., stupidity) of bidding on BBO.

[whereagles]

I was under the impression declarer could have taken 2nd diam in dummy, and play to ruff two clubs high. But he didn't do that, so what did I miss?

[inquiry]

whereagles, on Oct 19 2004, 06:14 AM, said:

I was under the impression declarer could have taken 2nd diam in dummy, and play to ruff two clubs high. But he didn't do that, so what did I miss?

Nothing.. he could have, and it would work fine.. one of the problem with "real world" hands.... but back to where he didn't... Answer coming today....

Ben

[bingo]

After thinking some more about it, I think it is cold regardless of whether west has singleton or doubleton king of hearts. At trick 5 play a heart to the Ace, if west shows up with the singleton king, then play a heart to the queen - it does west no good to ruff, then heart to the jack, again west cannot ruff or the endplay is still on and you now have a second ruff in dummy. Now you can play on high cross-ruff lines, being sure to ruff a club first, then a spade, then last club etc... losing last heart trick. If the heart does not drop under the ace after trick 5, cash a third diamond and then lead a low heart. Now west is endplayed as before. Maybe i missed something.