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6 Club without 2 Aces How should the bidding be?

Poll: Who is to blame? (18 member(s) have cast votes)

Who is to blame?

  1. West 0% East 100% (3 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. West 25% East 75% (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. West 50% East 50% (7 votes [38.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.89%

  4. West 75% East 25% (7 votes [38.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.89%

  5. West 100% East 0% (1 votes [5.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  6. Neither N/S did a good job (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   xx1943 

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Posted 2004-October-14, 05:09

Scoring: MP


Bidding:

S_ _W_ _N_ _E_
p.... 1♦. 3♠... X
XX.. p.... p.... 4♦
4♠. 5♣.. p.... 6♣ ;)
p.... p.... p....

Hi all
what is your opinion about this bidding?

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Posted 2004-October-14, 05:27

Yuck...

1) Really don't like 3♠X unless it is TRHUMP double, in which case it is fine.
really need hearts for this double if not thrump.

2) Not overjoyed with the pass over 3♠XX, which i t4ke to play
Bite the bullet and bid 4♣

3) Not particularily happy with 4♦ with two spades given the penatly pass
I mean, partner isn't passing 3♠ with singleton spade.

4) Don't like 4♠ or 6 ♣.
You have NO aces in your hand, and your parnter bid a non-forcing 4♦, why the heck que-bid. As for 6♣, do you see your two small hearts? Did partner cue-bid 4♥? Where are you going off AK of hearts (in theory).

And since I picked on all the other bids, ever open 1NT with a singleton?

Ok, given the opening bid... bid 4♣ over 3♠xx, and then, accept 5♣ or 4♦ as final contract. And playing Thrump doubles (which this could be), I would probably bid 4C with isntead of double.. and not playing Thrump double I clearly woudl.. .in both cases, fit nonjump showing clubs and diamonds...

Can I assign MORE THAN 100% blame? Oh well, I give 100% to both, but not an option, so I go with 50-50.

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Posted 2004-October-14, 06:47

Imo following mistakes were made:

By West:
- if you open 1♦ with any 5-4m distribution, you don't pass 3♠XX but you bid 4♣
- 5♣ after 4♠ is a slam try (because you didn't bid them at 4-level), so you're just asking for trouble again

By East:
- the Dbl isn't great, but what else can you bid?

I'd say 75% West...
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Posted 2004-October-14, 08:07

Both 100% ;)

I have always had the belief that anyone who opens 1D with 4-5
in the minors deserves all the bad things that will ever come to
him in all walks of life.

I didn't know this example of bad consequence, thank you for
pointing it out.

So, after the opening bid both are guilty and I rest my case.
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Posted 2004-October-14, 10:25

I voted 75% for west, not because east bids were much better, but because it is the 5C bid that is guilty for landing in slam. imo this doesn't deny a heart control (the 4S bid was made by south), so the 6C bid by east (who surely has a pretty good hand given the non-forcing 4D bid) is reasonable.
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Posted 2004-October-14, 11:31

i seem to be the only one who gave east 100%... oh well... the first double set the tone
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Posted 2004-October-14, 16:49

Agree with Ben here, but there is one call he forgot to criticise and that is the xx of 3S. What a totally fatuous call! Why not bid 4S?
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Posted 2004-October-14, 23:55

luke warm, on Oct 14 2004, 07:31 PM, said:

i seem to be the only one who gave east 100%... oh well... the first double set the tone

ok, but what do you bid instead of X.
I was not happy with my double, but I thought it would give me the most possibilities: 3NT; 3♠X penalty pass;
The problem is clear: how to come to a minor suit, if pd bis as expected 4♥.

But what do you bid instead of X.

Maybe 3NT is the last makable game.
What if pd has:

:)

4♦ is not forcing; remains only 4♣ to bid.

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Posted 2004-October-15, 01:57

The_Hog, on Oct 14 2004, 05:49 PM, said:

Agree with Ben here, but there is one call he forgot to criticise and that is the xx of 3S. What a totally fatuous call! Why not bid 4S?

Totally agree ! Don't understand the xx ????? When will you bid 4♠ if you don't do it with that :)
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Posted 2004-October-15, 03:19

100% of the blame to North. Sometimes, it's not what you did wrong, it's what they did right.

-25% of the blame to South, for not bidding 4♠ directly and completely screwing you over. At that point, it's completely hopeless.

25% of the blame to West for not taking advantage of South's mistake and bidding 4♣.

By the by, I don't see how it makes any difference if you opened 1♣ or 1♦. Five of either minor makes, six of either minor is down. There's no advantage to playing in one or the other.
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Posted 2004-October-15, 06:59

xx1943, on Oct 15 2004, 07:55 AM, said:

ok, but what do you bid instead of X.
I was not happy with my double, but I thought it would give me the most possibilities: 3NT; 3♠X penalty pass;
The problem is clear: how to come to a minor suit, if pd bis as expected 4♥.

But what do you bid instead of X.

if pard has the slightest chance, he'll bid 4h over your double (assuming south doesn't bid)... but what if south, instead of xx, bids 4s? now what's your pard to do? what are you to do? bury your diamond fit and show the now lost clubs?

i'd bid 4c with your hand *because* of the diamond fit... i have a place to run and i have a place to sac, if pard has no clubs
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Posted 2004-October-17, 04:49

No Jim, I'm with you, I just misclicked :)
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Posted 2004-October-17, 08:39

helene_t, on Oct 17 2004, 12:49 PM, said:

No Jim, I'm with you, I just misclicked :)

atta girl... we'll kick ron and his partner's tail when we meet up down under
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