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Preempt a very undisciplined one

Poll: Preempt (18 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid?

  1. Pass (17 votes [94.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 94.44%

  2. 2S (1 votes [5.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  3. Something else??? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   antonylee 

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Posted 2011-November-29, 02:23

Midway through a pairs game in a very weak field (side game at Seattle, you've already been gifted more overtricks than you could ever imagine), in a pickup partnership with an "old-style" intermediate player that you've just met at the partnership desk, you pick up this collection, 1st seat white on red:

Do you open?
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Posted 2011-November-29, 02:28

No.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 06:26

No².

(Although it isn't really an issue here - as pretty much everything else also argues against a weak 2-bid - I believe that ACBL rules won't allow a weak 2 on two HCP.)
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Posted 2011-November-29, 13:43

View PostS2000magic, on 2011-November-29, 06:26, said:

(Although it isn't really an issue here - as pretty much everything else also argues against a weak 2-bid - I believe that ACBL rules won't allow a weak 2 on two HCP.)


I'm pretty sure there is no point restriction as to weak 2 in the ACBL. The issue is if your weak 2 range is more than 7 points, you are only allowed natural bids over it (no feature, no ogust, no mccabe, no keycard).
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Posted 2011-November-29, 14:09

I'd pass. I'm probably a bit old style, so if you told me at the desk you were really wild, but usually successful, then go for it if it's your hand (though I'd wonder for a moment why you were playing with me, or more importantly why I was playing with you.)
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Posted 2011-November-29, 16:14

No. In a bad field that is giving you gifts, let them do their thing and partner too.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 17:54

View Postantonylee, on 2011-November-29, 02:23, said:

Midway through a pairs game in a very weak field (side game at Seattle, you've already been gifted more overtricks than you could ever imagine), in a pickup partnership with an "old-style" intermediate player that you've just met at the partnership desk, you pick up this collection, 1st seat white on red:

Do you open?


No, why would you in a weak field and with an "old style partner". Do you want to aggravate him/her?
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Posted 2011-November-29, 19:36

I concur with the others. It seems like a high variance swinging move, and if you're being gifted overtricks at matchpoint scoring, you don't need to start swinging, particularly 1st seat in!

3rd seat white on red though, and playing with a regular partner, and if I need to swing, I might consider a psyche of 1D (retiring to 1S if partner redoubles for SOS). LHO rates to have atleast 17 HCP and some shape, and isn't likely to have 4 spades so won't make a takeout double. With a pickup partner though a psyche rates to be a terrible idea, so this hand has no future.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 19:54

I would only bid if I wanted this pickup PD to ask for a different PD for the next session.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 21:14

As several others have said, no, especially in a field where I am being gifted good scores for doing middle of the road things
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