[han]

Fluffy, on 2011-November-25, 18:31, said:

I can´t recall last time I rebid 3NT with a balanced hand as responder on this auction. I think I only do it now with singleton spade, I have some problems limiting ranges and that later, but I don´t miss my 6-2 fits in the major nor my 5-3 in the minor either.

If you do it only with a singleton spade, you don't play it shows a balanced 16-17 count as cherdano does, when he plays bridge.

[Cascade]

Fluffy, on 2011-November-24, 16:07, said:

I agree with jilly, aguahombre and mikeh on the start, 1♠-2♦-2♠-2NT-3♠-4♣, anything else doens´t make much sense to me. Then I´d follow up mikeh route.

Its not ideal but given the weakish club holding for no trumps 3♥ rather than 2NT seems a possible reasonable alternative start.

[phil_20686]

I really dont understand bidding 2N instead of 3H over 2S - doesnt 3H scream extra values and looking for slam?

If you dont bid 3H on this hand over 2S, when do you bid it?

[MrAce]

I play 2♠ shows 6 cards most of the time and we can bid 2♠ with 5 for the reasons Andy said. But pd acts like i have 6 because even if i have 5, the reasons that made me bid 2♠, makes this a good fit most of the time.

I play 2NT over 2♦ 12-14 or 18-19 5332 or 5224

If you guys are obsessed with stoppers and bidding 2♠ with all 5332 minimums, or with hands that doesnt wanna make a reverse, how about this ?

1♠--2♦
2♠--2NT (use this 2NT as sort of relay and asking precise info about pd's 2♠)
3♣= i didnt wanna make reverse and i am not 5224 either or i wld bid 2NT (or whatever u prefer)
3♦=6♠ and this........
3♥=6♠ and that.....
3♠=7 card
3NT=6♠ and shortness in your suit (or whatever u like)

over 1♠-2♣ its even easier.

I mean if we are frequently rebidding major with 5 card and all 6 cards, we need to make some agreements on what 3rd bids by opener mean. Or we may have to deal with this type of hands each time they come, hoping we can find a logical bid looking at our hand and also hoping pd understands it the way we intended is naive imo.

As aguaman said it is not optimal to use 3♠ just to show 6 cards ♠ and try to figure rest with natural logic. I also dont like the idea of jumping to 3♠ with 5 card as Andy suggested, maybe pd has a 3-4 card ♠ fit and was about to raise us to 3 and we wasted whole level.

Or another suggestion, is that responder never bids 2NT with void or stiff in opener's major.

[han]

phil_20686, on 2011-November-26, 20:25, said:

I really dont understand bidding 2N instead of 3H over 2S - doesnt 3H scream extra values and looking for slam?

If you dont bid 3H on this hand over 2S, when do you bid it?

When you hold an unbalanced hand.

[Fluffy]

Cascade, on 2011-November-26, 18:57, said:

Its not ideal but given the weakish club holding for no trumps 3♥ rather than 2NT seems a possible reasonable alternative start.

Another one I don´t do , 2NT is cheap, and 3♥ is not, I'd use 3♥ with 4-6 at least or a very strong 45 but IMO reverses at the 3 level kind of say: I don´t wanna play 3NT at all.

Perhaps I should stop callin my methods natural and start to think about conventional rebids by opener, for example, 4-4 heart fit can be found at the 3 level and it doesn´t often lead to slam, so you could play 1♠-2♦-2♥ as a catchall and give 2♠ more meaningful things such as 6 spades, or any 5-4.

I think Frances has an optimized scheme like this.

[Raff90]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-November-24, 10:53, said:

Even if 2S does not guarantee 6 cards, why not support with K J , and you might get a courtesy cue of 4C! , which would take the slam beyond "hopeless":

1S - 2D! ( 2/1 GF )
2S - 3S
4C! - 4D!
4H! - 4NT
5S ( 2 + sQ )- 5NT
6C ( cK, so 4C! cue was not shortness ) - 6D ( 2nd K-ask )
6S ( no more K's ) - pass

[ still no guarantee if opener has 3 small ♦ ].

If you play non serious 3NT then its easy with this auction:
1S - 2D! ( 2/1 GF )
2S - 3S
3NT - 4C
4D - 4NT

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Raff90, on 2011-November-27, 16:47, said:

If you play non serious 3NT then its easy with this auction:
1S - 2D! ( 2/1 GF )
2S - 3S
3NT - 4C
4D - 4NT

I think you meant a 4H! cue, and not 4D!, since Opener has no ♦ control ?

[Raff90]

yep sry

[xxhong]

A simple transfer auction:
1S 2D
2H(6+S) 2S (fit)
2N(balanced) 3C(cue)
3H(cue) 4D(cue, serious slam interest)
Later, it would be quite straightforward.

A standard method:
1S 2D
2S 2N
3S 4C (cue, extra)
4H (cue) 5D(cue)
6C(cue) 6S (sign off)

Phil, on 2011-November-24, 09:49, said:

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This was from a MP tourney yesterday and we missed the good 6♠. While the play in 3N is pretty interesting after ♦K, ducked, I'd rather not get into the play issues.

How should the auction proceed after 2♠?

(Edit, no 2♠ does not promise 6)

Thanks

[the_dude]

phil_20686, on 2011-November-26, 20:25, said:

I really dont understand bidding 2N instead of 3H over 2S - doesnt 3H scream extra values and looking for slam?

If you dont bid 3H on this hand over 2S, when do you bid it?

Since 2♠ did not promise 6, I think 2NT is the best way to let partner rebid his spades if he has a good 6. Bidding 3♥ muddies the issue .. now he isn't sure if you are looking for a 6th spade or a club stopper - he has an aweful guess wondering if he is supposed to bid 3NT or 3♠ now.

[phil_20686]

the_dude, on 2011-November-30, 05:44, said:

Since 2♠ did not promise 6, I think 2NT is the best way to let partner rebid his spades if he has a good 6. Bidding 3♥ muddies the issue .. now he isn't sure if you are looking for a 6th spade or a club stopper - he has an aweful guess wondering if he is supposed to bid 3NT or 3♠ now.

I'm really surprised at these responses, over 2N, it is pretty much compulsory to show 3 card diamond support (if 2d=5+ which seems pretty normal now) or 4 clubs even if you have 6 spades, else how do you locate your 5-3 diamond fit when responder is very strong. Bidding 3H seems to me to imply that diamonds are basically out of the picture unless declarer has 4 card support.

If on the given hand the minors were exchanged, the auction the auction would go 1s-2d-2s-2n-3d-3s

and we do not feel well placed now.

[han]

phil_20686, on 2011-November-30, 06:02, said:

If on the given hand the minors were exchanged, the auction the auction would go 1s-2d-2s-2n-3d-3s

and we do not feel well placed now.

Who is this we, and why wouldn't that be a good start of the auction?