[jillybean]

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MP, both vulnerable

[Phil]

I have a flat, defensive hand.

Partner is marked with a few points, yet didn't bid. Partner is also marked with 4-5 spades which is not good news for us.

If the hearts are split, or RHO has the T, we have a good chance of setting up this suit. When partner has a singleton heart, they might lead something else.

I think bidding will lead to -200 too often even if they don't x and -100 could be poor if we can hold 1N to 1.

[mikeh]

I'd love to say double, but if I did, they'd have 3 stoppers, 2 or 3 spade winners, and a couple of minor suit tricks.

My suspicion is that they rate to go down and that the successful mp player doubles on frequency reasoning. I confess I'd pass, while mentally assailing myself as a chicken.

Note that I think double is penalty oriented here. I think that to be more useful than catering to some 4=5 major suit hand that chose to overcall 1♥, but I may be in a minority. Partner has rights....I won't have a stiff anywhere (at least, not one I noticed)

[JLOGIC]

Doing anything would be pretty far out. The opps have you outgunned and possibly severely so.

[neilkaz]

I pass clearly as I suspect bidding could be expensive.

[mich-b]

I would pass , because my hand is nothing special , and is primarily defensive.
And , additionally, double from me here , would imply ♠s or at least ♠ tolerance , perhaps 4513 , or 3523, or 4522 , rather than a random extra queen.

[Fluffy]

mikeh, on 2011-November-23, 19:06, said:

I'd love to say double, but if I did, they'd have 3 stoppers, 2 or 3 spade winners, and a couple of minor suit tricks.

My suspicion is that they rate to go down and that the successful mp player doubles on frequency reasoning. I confess I'd pass, while mentally assailing myself as a chicken.

Note that I think double is penalty oriented here. I think that to be more useful than catering to some 4=5 major suit hand that chose to overcall 1♥, but I may be in a minority. Partner has rights....I won't have a stiff anywhere (at least, not one I noticed)

But double is only neccesary when they make exactly 6 tricks, on 2 down is overkill and on 7+ tricks its a disaster. I´d e more inclined to double if they are not vulnerable. Still I think I will just pass.

[BunnyGo]

grunch...go quietly. I've got a good defensive to offensive ratio, and 2H-1 is worse than 1N = (let alone lots of other permutations).

[jillybean]

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-200

One day I hope to be as wise as you lot

[Phil]

You are making the aggressive mistakes now, which is really important in your development.

[phil_20686]

Every developing player reaches a stage when they have discovered they can take many more tricks than the players in their club, and immediately start bidding a lot more.



What is the over/under for Jilly bean to pass this stage? 18 months?

[neilkaz]

Phil, on 2011-November-24, 10:09, said:

You are making the aggressive mistakes now, which is really important in your development.

Agreed...and does anyone think that east should X 2♠assuming pd's xx showed a max? I'd certainly take my chances and X at MPs hoping for a top.

[Phil]

phil_20686, on 2011-November-24, 10:34, said:

What is the over/under for Jilly bean to pass this stage? 18 months?

I would definitely take <18.

[jillybean]

If I'm still doing this in 18 months, I hope my partner has found someone new.

[neilkaz]

Phil, on 2011-November-24, 11:16, said:

I would definitely take <18.

I'll take <12 based on watching her and a few hands before I went away this week.