[gwnn]

wank, on 2011-November-02, 07:56, said:

partner is more willing to make an off-shape double with short diamonds (as you normally have 5 to bid 4♦), so you shouldn't bid 4♦ here.

Isn't this circular? You prefer to bid clubs from 4-4 because partner is more willing to make a double with short diamonds because you normally have 5 to bid 4♦ because you prefer to bid clubs from 4-4? I.e. can't I say the same with clubs instead of diamonds?

[ArtK78]

gwnn, on 2011-November-02, 08:00, said:

Isn't this circular? You prefer to bid clubs from 4-4 because partner is more willing to make a double with short diamonds because you normally have 5 to bid 4♦ because you prefer to bid clubs from 4-4? I.e. can't I say the same with clubs instead of diamonds?

With short clubs partner might bid 4♦ over your 4♣ call; the same cannot be said about clubs over diamonds.

[han]

If you bid 3S you play in a 3-2 fit.

If you bid 4C you play in a 4-3 fit.

If you bid 4D you play in a 5-4 fit.

If you pass and play against the same opponent I did, you score +200.

Partner had a 3-2-5-3 18-count.

[han]

the hog, on 2011-November-01, 18:07, said:

3S?! Now that is the funniest post you have ever made. Even funnier will be Dummy's face as you are struggling alng in your 3-2 fit at some level.
4C for me.

[JLOGIC]

Passing is way too big, the risk/reward is not there at imps. I could see it possibly at MP if you had a good read on the preemptor that he is too aggro in third seat vul.

4C just seems normal.

[kenrexford]

han, on 2011-November-02, 11:13, said:

If you bid 3S you play in a 3-2 fit.

If you bid 4C you play in a 4-3 fit.

If you bid 4D you play in a 5-4 fit.

If you pass and play against the same opponent I did, you score +200.

Partner had a 3-2-5-3 18-count.

What was the complete layout?

The reason that I ask is that I am curious about a few things.

First, was partner's double correct in the situation? That's somewhat dumb for the analysis, because it does not really determine what our bid should be, but it does tell us if the situation is one that is anti-percentage, meaning that partner should not have that hand. Maybe he could.

Second, what would partner do after any call? You indicate that certain calls will place you in a such-and-such fit. But, I am not certain that this is correct from what you describe. If partner has a 3253 18-count, he might hear my 3♠ call and pass, or bid 3NT, or bid 4♦, or even 4♥.

Third, I am curious as to what my RHO will do, if anything. As I mentioned, one of my personal reasons for bidding 3♠ is because the auction could continue:

3♥-X-P-3♠
P-P-X-XX
P-4♦...

Finally, what results occur on the play?

[MrAce]

Preempts are made for a reason.

I am trying to construct a hand of 18 hcp 3253 with no ♥ stopper (or he shd have bid 3NT instead of DBL) and doesnt wanna bid 4♦ over 4♣, pd did a good job by passing though this time. 18 hcp is hard to pass, pd's average 5-8 hcp pretty much puts you in game zone. Perhaps he has Qx ♠, i dunno. I still like 4♣.

[gwnn]

ArtK78, on 2011-November-02, 08:07, said:

With short clubs partner might bid 4♦ over your 4♣ call; the same cannot be said about clubs over diamonds.

That is a good reason for 4♣ but as far as I can see it does not make wank's reasoning less circular.