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P (P) 1♣ (1♦)
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How do you play 2♦ here?
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Posted 2011-October-13, 22:10
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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Posted 2011-October-13, 22:49
If the double showed the common exactly 4-4 in the majors, then 2D is not needed for any hand with a fit for one of the majors.
That leaves a long club suit and gamish intent without a diamond stopper, for us. This logic will not apply if the "if", above does not apply.
Anyway, that is what responder should expect. Opener could also have slam interest and remove 3NT (if responder bids it). But, opener still will not have a major suit fit, because she would have bid the appropriate number of that major opposite the expected 6-9.
That leaves a long club suit and gamish intent without a diamond stopper, for us. This logic will not apply if the "if", above does not apply.
Anyway, that is what responder should expect. Opener could also have slam interest and remove 3NT (if responder bids it). But, opener still will not have a major suit fit, because she would have bid the appropriate number of that major opposite the expected 6-9.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 00:03
Adding on to the above comment, occasionally responder might be 5-4 or even 5-5. It does show primary Clubs, but responder should first be thinking about the Majors and bid if there's a 5-carder.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 00:38
aguahombre, on 2011-October-13, 22:49, said:
If the double showed the common exactly 4-4 in the majors, then 2D is not needed for any hand with a fit for one of the majors.
chasetb, on 2011-October-14, 00:03, said:
Adding on to the above comment, occasionally responder might be 5-4 or even 5-5.
I guess I wasn't clear. My partner doesn't have 5-4 or 5-5 in the majors. She has 4-4. If what you "added on" is a possibility, everything changes about what 2D could mean.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 06:39
It shows a strong hand.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 07:24
han, on 2011-October-14, 06:39, said:
It shows a strong hand.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 07:48
jillybean, on 2011-October-13, 22:10, said:
P (P) 1♣ (1♦)
X (P) 2♦
How do you play 2♦ here?
X (P) 2♦
How do you play 2♦ here?
The opener is 44 in the majors so it is meant as pick-a-major further description to follow.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 08:19
pooltuna, on 2011-October-14, 07:48, said:
The opener is 44 in the majors so it is meant as pick-a-major further description to follow.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 08:39
pooltuna, on 2011-October-14, 07:48, said:
The opener is 44 in the majors so it is meant as pick-a-major further description to follow.
This or an unspecified really big hand. Certainly for us double would like to be 4-4 in the majors or better, but occasionally isn't dealt the right cards. We don't bid 1♥/♠ with a (43)24.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 08:54
han, on 2011-October-14, 06:39, said:
It shows a strong hand.
game forcing, forcing to where?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted 2011-October-14, 08:59
pooltuna, on 2011-October-14, 07:48, said:
The opener is 44 in the majors so it is meant as pick-a-major further description to follow.
This is how I saw it played when kibitzing a game last night. Pickup partners, the 2♦ bidder
of course dumbfounded that his partner may not play it that way.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted 2011-October-15, 07:50
In my partnership 2♦ is just a game force. Lots of bidding room to find the strain.
Our negative double doesn't promise both majors, just 2 places to play, ie. 1M + clubs or notrump. That way 1M promises 5. Definitely not for a pickup partnership though.
Our negative double doesn't promise both majors, just 2 places to play, ie. 1M + clubs or notrump. That way 1M promises 5. Definitely not for a pickup partnership though.
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