[whereagles]

Hi all. Here's a nice hand from the national team trials. It's imps pairs, 10 boards matches, adv/exp field.

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Standard methods apply, i.e. you can bid any number of diamonds naturally. Pard is expert and very aggressive.

Your bid? There may be a follow-up question.

[Fluffy]

2♦ to be followed by double at the 4 level, and suit rebid at a lower one. Not ideal with an 8 card suit, but 3 quick tricks its 3 quick tricks.

[JLOGIC]

2d

[aguahombre]

Failing eyesight, here. Thought the opening bid in front of me was 1♣

Disregard my questions about 2♦

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-September-21, 08:25

[whereagles]

huh... it wasn't in front of you and it wasn't 1C. RHO bid and he bid 1S.

[aguahombre]

Yes, I know now it was 1S. But on my planet my RHO is in front of me.

[pooltuna]

whereagles, on 2011-September-21, 04:00, said:

Hi all. Here's a nice hand from the national team trials. It's imps pairs, 10 boards matches, adv/exp field.

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Standard methods apply, i.e. you can bid any number of diamonds naturally. Pard is expert and very aggressive.

Your bid? There may be a follow-up question.

last guess time opponents 5♦

[whereagles]

Ok, for those who bid 2♦ it now goes:

(1♠) 2♦ (4♦)* pass
(4♠) ??

*splinter

and now?

[the_dude]

pooltuna, on 2011-September-21, 11:43, said:

last guess time opponents 5♦

My thoughts exactly

[aguahombre]

I don't understand 5♦ with this hand in 2nd seat over 1♠. One of the people subject to "last guess" is partner.

[pooltuna]

♠♠

aguahombre, on 2011-September-22, 10:24, said:

I don't understand 5♦ with this hand in 2nd seat over 1♠. One of the people subject to "last guess" is partner.

okay say you try 2♦ and one of the following is an auction around the table

(1♠) 2♦ (2♠) pass; (4♠) ?
(1♠) 2♦ (3♦) pass; (4♠) ?
(1♠) 2♦ (4♦) pass; (4♠) ?
(1♠) 2♦ (3♠) pass; (4♠) ?
(1♠) 2♦ (4♠) pass; pass ?

so now what do you do? note that 5♦ here foists the decision on them and it could very well be a bad one especially if you are willing to risk an X of 5♠

[MrAce]

whereagles, on 2011-September-22, 02:28, said:

Ok, for those who bid 2♦ it now goes:

(1♠) 2♦ (4♦)* pass
(4♠) ??

*splinter

and now?

I would start 2♦ but i have to admit i like 5♦ bid too.

Anyway, now that i started 2♦ and it came back to me 4♠, i have 2.90 quick tricks in defense and there is a good chance pd may have 1 or even 2 trump tricks, and maybe he will double them. If i bid 5♦ now, reason should be that i believe we make 5♦, not save. Can we make 5 ♦ ? Probably not after splinter and opener not liking the splinter suit and pd failing to DBL 4♦. Since i dont think there is a contract i have to protect, i may as well go head and pass it to pd now. Not being red vs white reduces my stress over my decision anyway.

[Fluffy]

I already said that I was doubling if it came at the 4 level back

[whereagles]

Allright thx all.

The funny thing about this hand was that everybody was right Check it out:

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(Rotated for convenience to make our hand South)

I had the hand given and decided that pard could very well contribute with a trump or heart trick. 5D could thus be a -200/-500 phantom.

So I passed. I led ♣K and followed with the A. That showed a doubleton AK and pard had no problem signaling the diamond entry with his lowest remaning club. I found it a bit suspicious that he had the ♦K after not having doubled 4D, but I didn't have a better play so I underled in diamonds. Pard did produce the goods and we cashed 4 tricks. Declarer was not pleased.

So, operation sucessful? Certainly.

But the patient died!!! Why? Because all who played diamonds got a spade lead, ruffed and cashed 13 tricks!

So those who passed or dbled 4S were right: it goes down and 5D theoretically doesn't make. Those who bid 5D were also right because no one found the play to beat it. Both right, but for different reasons lol.

For the record, setting 4S was -8 imps (-6 if you dbl it) and making 5D+2 was +6 (+12 if dbled). Those who bid a straight 5D would put LHO under pressure. He might have bid 5S, over which you'd have to be inspired to dbl and get the defense right, or he might have doubled you.

Anyway, just a fun hand. In the end pard said he didn't dbl 4D because he was afraid it might have showed xxx(x) instead of a high card. We agreed later to play it as just a high card. Had he dbled, I'd have tried 5D.

Cheers and thx again.

[Fluffy]

I'm perhaps biased, but I don't think passing 4♠ doubled is obvious with north's hand. Knowing the full hand I find it hard to analyse the decision well, but I think he should at least consider bidding 4NT since his ODR is postive despite being baalanced.

[whereagles]

come on gonzalo, there's no way pard is going to guess we have EIGHT diamonds

[Fluffy]

I'm probably just arguing for arguing because I think pass is probably the best bid by north, The fact partner has 3 spades and the fact that I double 1♠ routinelly on 1363 or 0364 hands, makes the chances of having 5 diamonds on this late double close to zero, and 7 diamonds is more than 70% I'd say, wich makes ♦Kx a very offensive holding. I just say that pass with north's hand is not obvious.

[han]

Double of 4D should absolutely show diamond length imo, not a high card. The main decision is whether to bid 5D or not, not whether to lead diamonds.

[whereagles]

Well, that might be a bit debateable. We do play dbl of splinter mainly as length but not in this situation.