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4nt for aces, but what is the suit ?

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Posted 2004-October-04, 06:00

Like the rest of the world we play 5 aces, its a great way but here and there we have misunderstanding about the trump suit.
The problem get harder when the opponents interfere.
My partner wanted to play 4 aces unless the suit is 100% clear to any stupid bridge player.
My mother plays either the suit we agreed or the last suit we bid.
My general idea is that the suit is the one i couldnt support forcingly.
There is also an ida to just play 6 aces (include both Ks of our suits)
This isnt easy because there are endless situatuation, and we need to set some basic rules.
What are your agrements on this ?
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Posted 2004-October-04, 06:22

If we agreed in a certain suit, it will ofcourse be RKC in that suit.
If we didn't agree a specific suit, then 4NT is RKC in partner's longest known suit most of the time. I should think about when the last time was that we were asking in the wrong suit, and that this rule isn't correct...
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Posted 2004-October-04, 11:10

I never play 4 aces it has no sense to me.

It is either the suit you bid on the last round (normally openenr´s suit), or 4NT is natural, either quantitative, or stop in some circumstances (like a 4 in minor reopening).
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Posted 2004-October-04, 12:16

If we have agreed a suit, we use RKCB.

If we haven't agreed a suit, we don't use Blackwood at all (We use cue-bids, or just punt it)

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Posted 2004-October-04, 12:29

Any rule is better than no rule.

My rule is, if a balanced hand ask for aces, then responders long suit is agreed trumps. IF the balanced hand partenr has shown two suits, then it is two suit agreement (6 keycard ask)...

If you can make a forcing raise, then 4NT is never asking for aces in the in suit you could make a forcing raise (thus, for example, 1S-4NT is not RKB for spades, since 2NT was available).

IF you could have used minorwood, then 4NT is not RKB for the minor.

If partner has set trumps (preempt in a suit for instance), the 4NT is RKB in that suit.. for instance, while 1S-4NT is not, 2S-4NT, 3S-4NT, and 4S-4NT is RKCB).

Without specific trump agreement (preempt, jump rebid, direct raise, fit jump, fit non-jump), 4NT is not roman keycard blackwood.

1NT-2H-2S-4NT is quantattive... 1NT-4H-4S-4NT is RKCB for spades

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Posted 2004-October-04, 16:40

Nice rules.
What about competition,
1sp (4H) 4NT

1sp (3h) 4nt

1sp (2h) 3c (4h) [ 3c is natural GF]
4nt

and a word to Erick when you got no trump you cant use cue bids.
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Posted 2004-October-05, 05:40

Flame, on Oct 4 2004, 10:40 PM, said:

1sp (4H) 4NT

is the trump here

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1sp (3h) 4nt


is the trump here

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1sp (2h) 3c (4h)  [ 3c is natural GF]
4nt


is the trump in here.

Competitive auctions are a bit easier, since you can rule out the intention to play in 4NT.
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