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Holding up no adv/exp first 3 days plz

Poll: How many times do you plan to hold up your SA, and why? (19 member(s) have cast votes)

How many times do you plan to hold up your SA, and why?

  1. I take it immediatly (15 votes [78.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.95%

  2. I wait 1 round (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. I wait until I can't play anything else than my Ace (3 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

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Posted 2004-October-04, 06:03

You're playing 3NT by south, with following hands:

Scoring: IMP


The lead is S2
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Posted 2004-October-04, 06:40

Hi,

I let ♠ run twice, ♠ are probably 4-2, East has ♣Ace and I don't want East returning a ♠.

Take ♠Ace 3rd round, play small ♣ to Queen,
=4♦, ♥Ace and 3♣?

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oops, first lesson 5+?=13

This post has been edited by jillybean2: 2004-October-04, 08:02

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Posted 2004-October-04, 06:51

jillybean2, on Oct 4 2004, 07:40 AM, said:

Hi,

I let ♠ run twice, ♠ are probably 4-2, East has ♣Ace and I don't want East returning a ♠.

Take ♠Ace 3rd round, play small ♣ to Queen,
=4♦, ♥Ace and 3♣?

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Posted 2004-October-04, 07:21

jillybean2, on Oct 4 2004, 07:40 AM, said:

Hi,

I let ♠ run twice, ♠ are probably 4-2, East has ♣Ace and I don't want East returning a ♠.

Take ♠Ace 3rd round, play small ♣ to Queen,
=4♦, ♥Ace and 3♣?

jillybean

there wont be a 3th rund, u get a hart shift
foole me once, shame one you!!
foole me twice, shame on me....!!
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Posted 2004-October-04, 08:10

Is the bidding irrelevant here? :P
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Posted 2004-October-04, 09:59

I'm a BILlie so I'll suggest the answer and reasoning.


We need to count our winners - 1 ♥ 1♠ 4♦ and 3♣ can be established once Ace of clubs is knocked out.

We also have lots of potential Heart & spade losers!

First question I would ask is what leads the opps play if 3'rds & 5ths then we have a problem :-) but assuming it is fourth highest as then West has xxx2 in spades so they break 4/4! and as we can afford the 3 spade losers and the A clubs.

We cannot afford a heart switch before we lose the Ace of clubs so take the A spades on first round. Play clubs until opps take the A or three rounds of clubs whichever comes first - If opps take A clubs then after opps cash spades and we have been throwing diamonds from N and hearts/spades from South and we take the remaining tricks on top. i.e A ♠ A♥ KQJ(T)♣ AKQJ ♦.

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Posted 2004-October-04, 10:13

badderzboy, on Oct 4 2004, 11:59 AM, said:

I'm a BILlie so I'll suggest the answer and reasoning.

Are you SURE you are a BILlie?

We can stop now... as the answer has been given. Well done.
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Posted 2004-October-04, 10:36

Hmmm, I thought this would be a nice exception on 'holding up', but apparently billies also count their opponent's tricks these days. Either this is a good progress for the group, or someone is not a billie anymore. :P

This hand came up in competition this saturday. However, they didn't lead the ♠2, but the ♠5, which was his 2nd highest (he had 8532)!! It was pure torture for me, but even if they would lead from a 5-card, your only chance is not to get that ♥ switch. Both ♠ or ♥ leads kill the contract if you don't take your Ace immediatly and they switch to the other Major. The only thing you can do is hope for some luck...
I changed the lead to ♠2 to make it easy to count your opponent's tricks (3♠s since opp's ♠s are split 4-4, and ♣A), so with some reasoning you guys could solve it :D

To jillybean, the bidding is indeed irrelevant B) It's ALL about the play, and the fact that if you hold up, you will hardly have a chance to win your contract after that deadly ♥-switch. Even if you hold up ♥A twice, they'll switch back to ♠s...
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