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6NT invitational? Your Call

#1 User is offline   jmcw 

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Posted 2011-September-04, 15:25

Matchpoints


Pass or bid?
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Posted 2011-September-04, 15:40

pass
I'm worried he has everything else ( and a long, nearly solid suit ) EXCEPT for a -stop ( ... like missing the Ace )
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Posted 2011-September-04, 17:19

I think the Long solid diamond suit and everything else but the spade ace theory is interesting. Not possible in my world, since 3D would be forcing and I am supposed to know if I have a spade stopper without him asking.

Another reason that theory might not work is because I might have QJX of spades, and his 6NT would look silly in that case. So now, we are back to whether pard is already expecting about 17 because we play a weak NT, which I assume we do or I never could have only bid 3NT unless assured that pard already knows I have a biggie. If he does know that, I pass.
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Posted 2011-September-04, 19:37

3NT shows a weak NT. This is a misbid, opposite a GF raise we should invite slam with 4NT natural if that is available, or by cuebidding 4.

Anyway, having bid 3NT is it obvious to raise 7NT. Partner showed a club fit, so we have 3 keycards for him, along with two useful kings.
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Posted 2011-September-04, 20:14

ok, you must know the OP, but I didn't, and couldn't imagine 3NT with that hand, unless they already had a clue about opener's range.
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Posted 2011-September-04, 23:45

6NT is not an invite to grand. Pass. It is too late to worry about opener's extras, he could have tried to show them earlier. Same for responder: if he were interested in grand he should not have skipped 3 levels of bidding.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 00:22

pass, if p had any interest in my option, he could have asked me,
e.g. by bidding 5NT, he did bid 6NT instead.

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Posted 2011-September-05, 00:36

Please, show me one hand partner can have consistent with his bidding, where my 18 pointer is not important, when I could have held an 11 pointer. In doing so, make it a hand where he has to know he can make six opposite that 11 count.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 01:14

I see 6NT "to play", ok the 3S does not deny the S ace, but p has plenty of alternatives to look for a grand

I expect him for a solid D suit as source of tricks with no S stopper (but why did o not raise S, if p is very short? )
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Posted 2011-September-05, 02:21

pass, A is out.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 03:35

-If pd is a sane person, there is only one hand that justifies his bid, if he has 19-20 hcp balanced hand. And he can not have this without A.

-He started 3 because he did not know yet where to play and from which side yet, if we held a random 12-14 hcp perhaps the lead would matter in 6 NT, and i can see his concern from my holding especially when he holds Ax(x) .

-He doesnt have long s, or he would have started 3.

He must have something like

ATx
Qx
AKQ
KJxxx

Axx
Qxx
AKQ
KJxx

Anything less than this he has a 4NT bid. I think opponent was joking and we should be safe in grand. He could choose to be scientific and start with 4 over 3 NT to check if we have a control, i dunno why he did not, maybe he is a blaster, but i am bidding 7.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 04:17

Just questions ...

Could partner have asked for controls (aces) over 3NT?

When partner forced to game why didn't I bid more than 3NT with my 18 hcp?
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Posted 2011-September-05, 04:22

View PostMrAce, on 2011-September-05, 03:35, said:

-If pd is a sane person, there is only one hand that justifies his bid, if he has 19-20 hcp balanced hand. And he can not have this without A.

-He started 3 because he did not know yet where to play and from which side yet, if we held a random 12-14 hcp perhaps the lead would matter in 6 NT, and i can see his concern from my holding especially when he holds Ax(x) .

-He doesnt have long s, or he would have started 3.

He must have something like

ATx
Qx
AKQ
KJxxx

Axx
Qxx
AKQ
KJxx

Anything less than this he has a 4NT bid. I think opponent was joking and we should be safe in grand. He could choose to be scientific and start with 4 over 3 NT to check if we have a control, i dunno why he did not, maybe he is a blaster, but i am bidding 7.

Why wouldn't he bid 4 instead of 6NT with these hands? There may be a much better minor suit slam, and he'll have more room to investigate grand.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 04:29

View PostFree, on 2011-September-05, 04:22, said:

Why wouldn't he bid 4 instead of 6NT with these hands? There may be a much better minor suit slam, and he'll have more room to investigate grand.


I already explained it, i would have bid 4 but pd did not. Not bidding 4 with this is not as weird as bidding 6 NT with anything less than this ;)

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He could choose to be scientific and start with 4 over 3 NT to check if we have a control, i dunno why he did not, maybe he is a blaster, but i am bidding 7.

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Posted 2011-September-05, 05:38

7NT for me. I agree that 3NT was a misbid and 4NT would have been correct. I don't see how partner can bid this way without the SA, after all, my 3NT could have been on QJx or similar.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 07:42

View Postthe hog, on 2011-September-05, 05:38, said:

7NT for me. I agree that 3NT was a misbid and 4NT would have been correct. I don't see how partner can bid this way without the SA, after all, my 3NT could have been on QJx or similar.

In fact, my majors could have been QJx KJTx, and I would still have extras for a weak NT.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 08:00

lol @ not bidding.

Partner forced to slam rather than invite slam opposite what could be a 12 or 13 count, his hand should be better than ours.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 08:01

If we opened a weak NT with this hand and partner bid 6N would you guys not bid 7? I mean, lol, obviously it sucks that we miscounted our points but we are allowed to correct that.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 08:50

Obvious raise. A dozen posters above already said why.
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Posted 2011-September-05, 12:15

I hope OP posts partner's hand !
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