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Posted 2004-October-01, 11:11

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West North East South
 Pass  1    Pass  2
 Pass  3    Pass  4NT
 Pass  5    Pass  6
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 
T1, H9 HT H3 HK


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Posted 2004-October-01, 12:31

Run the spade 9 at trick two is good enough for me. If trumps 5-0, I'll make up my mind later whether to return to hand with a club or ruffing a heart (prolly the former).
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Posted 2004-October-01, 16:51

whereagles, on Oct 1 2004, 08:31 PM, said:

Run the spade 9 at trick two is good enough for me. If trumps 5-0, I'll make up my mind later whether to return to hand with a club or ruffing a heart (prolly the former).

i guess you're basing lho's double on 5/0 split, eh? your line wins when lho has the J, regardless of the split, but loses when rho has any holding with the J

is it likely hearts are 1/6? i'd guess not, the bidding doesn't imply that... are they 2/5? probably... even that doesn't hurt when spades are no worse than 4/1... i'd like to know if rho signaled count to the first trick, and what the 9 showed

i'd really like to play the K first... that wins anytime hearts are 4/3 but loses when 5/2 or worse (with west short)... is lho doubling *only* on the 5/0 split? there are 7 hcp out, you'd have to think he has the A and is trying to find his second trick

you're losing 3 imps when wrong (i think the majority would not double in west's seat), so the choices are between playing lho for 5 spades and 2 hearts or any number of spades with 3 or more hearts...

this is wrong, most likely, but i'm playing the K hoping for 4/1 OR for lho with 3+ hearts... your 9 is probably right :rolleyes: (mainly cause of ben's "wake you up" line)
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Posted 2004-October-01, 19:05

Well, what can LHO have for his double? To double on an ace and Jxxx of trumps is a give-away, so I take it a sane LHO would have an ace plus jack-fifth of spades. I don't need Ben's cue to think like this :rolleyes:
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Posted 2004-October-01, 20:43

as i said, the 9 is probably right... how would you play it without the x?
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Posted 2004-October-01, 20:48

With no double, I cash K and A of spades. If 4-1 on left, try for two discs on hearts.
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Posted 2004-October-02, 07:33

If A is offside why it wasn´t lead?, but then why double? this is upsetting kind find a logic at all.

Maybe was a psyckic double hoping you run to 6NT?

No, It has to be a 5-0 split, lets try for the overtrick and hook from start.
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Posted 2004-October-02, 08:13

i think you're both right, the 9 is probably the best play given the double... but the K doesn't hurt IF hearts are either 4/3 or if west has long hearts (which the lead doesn't suggest)
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Posted 2004-October-02, 13:12

If West doubled on J empty 5th of spades and an outside ace, he is a fool. Who is this villain on my left - do I know him? If the spade honors are split, he has just handed you unmakeable cintract. No comments about cross and double cross please.

Further, why didn't he lay down the A at T1? He doesn't know you hold the K. Further, you could hold the AKQ of spades, so he doesn't know dummy has an honor.

I think a more likely layout is that he holds a club void ( areverse lightner double! :) ), and hopes you'll take an irrational play in trump and get his club ruff later.

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Posted 2004-October-02, 15:45

The reason he doubled with Jxxxx xx AQx xxx is a 5-0 split is much, much harder to work around than a 4-1 one. To double on this hand is a fair gamble for an aggressive and greedy player (like most of us LOL).

But then again, you have to know the person who doubled. I know a few players against whom I wouldn't dream of taking a 1st round finesse :)
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Posted 2004-October-02, 19:55

that could be, but it still makes unless lho is short in hearts... lead the K, get the bad news, finesse the 8, play the A, and run hearts tossing diamonds

so to be set lho needs 5 trumps and 1 or 2 hearts... i guess the 9 makes it more rather than less likely he has 2, who knows?... i know i'd feel worse if playing the K would have made than if playing the K is the only losing line...

3 imps is 3 imps tho :)
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