[Jinksy]

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As dealer, you pick up the hand above, E/W game, at teams.

1st decision - do you think about bidding?

If not, the bidding goes P P 1♦ (five card majors, strong NT, short club, so 1D should promise four) 1♠ back to you - what's your call now?

If it leaves room, the bidding goes 1N P P to you again...

[pooltuna]

1] no
2] negative X
3] not making the bid in 2] screws you so now you pass

[mikeh]

Opening wouldn't occur to me if it were not posed in the OP. This is not an opening hand.

I don't understand the auction, but the title to the post suggests that it went P (P) 1♦ (1♠) (the way the post reads I thought it might have gone P (1♦) 1♠ (P), but then it wouldn't be a misfit )

I double 1♠. I am not going to be happy with a diamond rebid, but I can hardly pass.

I gather it then goes 1N on my left, with two passes back to me. I bid 2♣. I don't (yet) see the problem. I have shown 9+ of my cards, and partner isn't supposed to pull back to diamonds (and probably lacks 6 of them anyway since might well have bid 2♦ over 1N). If he does bid 2♦, well...I have all the diamond support I showed and nowhere to go, so I pass.

[Jinksy]

Sorry, corrected that.

[wyman]

initial pass

negative X

if it goes
P (P) 1D (1S)
X (1N) P (P)
?
then I will pass, giving partner leeway to have opened light in 3rd.

[whereagles]

no/dbl/2C

more or less auto, imo

[Jinksy]

Hm, ok. I didn't like competing for a potentially non-existent part score at this vul with such a potential misfit and both opps showing points and a misfit of their own, and reluctantly passed at all three opportunities.

If that doesn't immediately turn you off the hand, trick one poses a play problem that I found interesting. Partner leads ♦6 (2nds and 4ths). Dummy hits with this:

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Declarer covers with the 8. What do you pitch?

(edited original post slightly now that I'm writing with the hand records to correct a couple of ♥♠pips)

[MickyB]

I don't think you need to fear the misfit at such a low level. If they had overcalled 2S, I would have sympathy with pass [but I would still double]. Besides, if you pass over 1S and pard bids 2♦ you'll just be guessing what to do.

[cloa513]

Jinksy, on 2011-August-23, 10:22, said:

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As dealer, you pick up the hand above, E/W game, at teams.

1st decision - do you think about bidding?

If not, the bidding goes P P 1♦ (five card majors, strong NT, short club, so 1D should promise four) 1♠ back to you - what's your call now?

If it leaves room, the bidding goes 1N P P to you again...

No strong misfit yet. Partner's diamonds could be (a) Axxxxx or QJxxx or even KQJ10xx which still has possibilities. Its the rest of the hand that matters.
Given (a) and ♥ AKxx and some honours in clubs and some shortage is spades and you have got a reasonable game hand.
If double means to your partnership that there is some diamond fit and hearts then 2♣ is an excellent option. That 5 card club suit could be gold.

A strong misfit bidding sequence is
1♦,-,1♥,-,2♦,-,2♥,-,3♦.

[rhm]

Jinksy, on 2011-August-23, 10:22, said:

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As dealer, you pick up the hand above, E/W game, at teams.

1st decision - do you think about bidding?

If not, the bidding goes P P 1♦ (five card majors, strong NT, short club, so 1D should promise four) 1♠ back to you - what's your call now?

If it leaves room, the bidding goes 1N P P to you again...

I tend to pass more hands as dealer than most, but I would never dream of passing this hand. K&R evaluates this hand as 13.0 and I consider this to be conservative.
Holding 3 suits, chances for a misfit are low. The probability of at least an 8 card fit opposite this distribution is 89% and for a 9 card fit 44%.
Opening balanced 11 or 12 HCP rubbish, but passing this hand is in my opinion poor hand evaluation. I do the opposite.
Having made a poor Pass with 3 first round controls a negative double of 1♠ is obvious.
Over 1 NT I bid 2♣. Partner neither doubled 1NT nor rebid his ♦. I think a likely ♦ lead against 1NT will not be a promising start for the defense.
I deem it unlikely that 2♣ will get you in serious trouble. Far more likely you give up a part-score swing by defending a difficult to defend 1NT.

On the ♦ lead against 1NT I discard a ♣, since a discard in the majors is too likely to cost.

Rainer Herrmann

[Jinksy]

rhm, on 2011-August-24, 03:54, said:

K&R evaluates this hand as 13.0 and I consider this to be conservative.

What's K&R?

[Zelandakh]

I tend to bid more hands as dealer than most but I would pass here; change the H10 to HJ and I would open though so it is close. After 1S, double is absolutely automatic. When 1NT comes back I think the hand is worth a 2C call.

[rhm]

Jinksy, on 2011-August-24, 05:20, said:

What's K&R?

The Kaplan Rubens hand evaluator.
You can try at
http://www.jeff-gold...cgi-bin/knr.cgi

Rainer Herrmann

[dake50]

This is a good 1H opener playing 4xM as
I have both Majors, 2xA and a void.
And 1C force tops my hand at 15.
Partner with only 6xD, we pay out on that misfit.
Further partner has a transfer to 2D for quits.
So this misfit stops at 2D when it's a partial.

[Zelandakh]

You are suggesting opening 1H and passing a 2D response, dake?

[Jinksy]

rhm, on 2011-August-24, 05:55, said:

The Kaplan Rubens hand evaluator.
You can try at
http://www.jeff-gold...cgi-bin/knr.cgi

What's the algorithm?

[semeai]

Jinksy, on 2011-August-24, 08:15, said:

What's the algorithm?

See this link on Jeff Goldsmith's site.

[hrothgar]

FWIW

I've always felt that, ceteris paribus, three suited hands are much better for defense then they are offensively.
I am much more conservative opening 4441s and 5440s and consider this hand to be a clear pass.

If the auction started P - (P) - 1♦ - (1♠), I have an easy double.

If the auction continues

P - (P) - 1♦ - (1♠)
X - (1N) - P - (P)

then I have an equally simple 2♣ rebid.

[gszes]

I pass originally (sorry KR)
but I think it borders on criminal to not
make a neg X over 1s. Your poor p might have
hearts but is hamstrung in the bidding since
its very easy for you to be broke. This is far
from the case here and making a neg x will
at least get most of your values mentioned.

If you make a neg x the 1n bid might never happen
or p may be able to bid (hearts) over 1n all sorts
of things might be different. Assuming the bidding
went as you stated I would bid 2c as an x now should
indicate the kind of hand that trap passed 1s (IMO).