[pigpenz]

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if this hand can be beat with spade lead shouldnt it show the possiblity???

[Bbradley62]

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What do you mean by "show the possibility"?

[manudude03]

The hand can be made on any lead. If on the spade lead, North wins it in hand, cashes ♣AK and then plays a trump. If West gives East the ruff (note East would be ruffing air), he will be endplayed (you can arrange to throw 3 hearts from dummy if ruff+discard). If he doesn't give the ruff then North just loses a trump and a heart

edit: cut+paste error

[pigpenz]

manudude03, on 2011-August-13, 19:16, said:

The hand can be made on any lead. If on the spade lead, North wins it in hand, cashes ♣AK and then plays a trump. If West gives East the ruff (note East would be ruffing air), he will be endplayed (you can arrange to throw 3 hearts from dummy if ruff+discard). If he doesn't give the ruff then North just loses a trump and a heart(note East would be ruffing air)

Ok didnt see that it seemed like it showed 3 tricks lost right off the top sorry about that
I guess I was in shock at first when I was watching that GIB could find a way to go down, now that I see that
I am shocked that it dould find a way to go down

[pigpenz]

pigpenz, on 2011-August-13, 19:20, said:

Ok didnt see that it seemed like it showed 3 tricks lost right off the top sorry about that
I guess I was in shock at first when I was watching that GIB could find a way to go down, now that I see that
I am shocked that it dould find a way to go down

Ok what I saw when I clicked on the gib version of deep finesse, it showed it making or plus 1
but as soon as a card was played it showed it going down, I guess it would be little more helpful
in some ways if it showed the analysis for each card played in steps not jumps,
in other words:
1. for lead it shows hand cant be beat
2. deep finesse does it card by card

so it would show lead cant beat it but it would shows which cards from dummy need to be played in order to make it.
so yes K♠ in hand and stripping ♣'s endplays east. so is there a way to save hands in pbn notation so
they can be loaded into deep finesse without having to type them in a pbn editor. the old interface used to save hands
in pbn notation but the new flash version doesnt.( or it would save groups of hands at least)

[cloa513]

manudude03, on 2011-August-13, 19:16, said:

The hand can be made on any lead. If on the spade lead, North wins it in hand, cashes ♣AK and then plays a trump. If West gives East the ruff (note East would be ruffing air), he will be endplayed (you can arrange to throw 3 hearts from dummy if ruff+discard). If he doesn't give the ruff then North just loses a trump and a heart

edit: cut+paste error

You mean a discard in hand not dummy (North has the contract).

[manudude03]

I think I know what you're getting at, but I don't think it's a good idea. I'd rather not have to click next 52 times to see the result. Maybe I'd agree if there was "Next card" and "Next trick". And yes, the hand is down as soon as the Q is played at trick 1.

cloa513, on 2011-August-13, 19:39, said:

You mean a discard in hand not dummy (North has the contract).

Yeah, that's what I meant, I always get confused when North is declarer.

[pigpenz]

manudude03, on 2011-August-13, 19:41, said:

I think I know what you're getting at, but I don't think it's a good idea. I'd rather not have to click next 52 times to see the result. Maybe I'd agree if there was "Next card" and "Next trick". And yes, the hand is down as soon as the Q is played at trick 1.



Yeah, that's what I meant, I always get confused when North is declarer.

yeah, i went and loaded it up in deep finesse for
dummy in A-Q- X= x= ♠
at trick two three
only = was for AK♣
hand happened so quick i couldnt figure out how GIB went down so
had to go look at hand records, GIB anaylsis showed lead wont set, GIB plays a card from dummy and its doing down
had to stop and think about.

the way it works now it does the whole round of cards in one click, it it was quarter clicks might be easier to see sometimes, I know in the flash version
when GIB plays hands things happen so quick you cant even keep up with the play.

[georgi]

pigpenz, on 2011-August-13, 20:02, said:

hand happened so quick i couldnt figure out how GIB went down so
had to go look at hand records, GIB anaylsis showed lead wont set, GIB plays a card from dummy and its doing down
had to stop and think about.
the way it works now it does the whole round of cards in one click, it it was quarter clicks might be easier to see sometimes

Web version offers Hand Editor.

It's a feature which you could use to enter a hand and repeat the auction as well.
Then you could use two options:
1)If you have rented GIBs there would appear GIB button, so you could manually play and ask GIB to hint you card by card from all NSEW hands.
That would help to realize how a contract going down with any lead, but suddenly it goes +1 when the declarer put the wrong/best card from the dummy and/or RHO put the best/wrong one.
2)If you don't have renter GIBs you could play again card by card and export to see the analyzer for that very card, which is not so convenient as the 1).

However two more pluses to use Web version and have GIBs rented for those who didn't try it that yet.