[the hog]

DrMunk, on 2011-August-11, 11:53, said:

1) Why did i not jump to 6 clubs over 4nt? This has to show this distribution, or it could possibly be a hand with 4-4 in the black suits with good black suits, and little soft values in the red suits.(AKQX;EX;EXX;KQJX)

2) Why is 5nt asking for kings when partner only invited slam? Would it not be more usefull to use it as pick a slam like bid, searching for a 4 card minor suit?

I also agree with this. I bid 6C at this stage and discuss my "bidding" with partner afterwards.

[hrothgar]

the hog, on 2011-August-12, 05:26, said:

I also agree with this. I bid 6C at this stage and discuss my "bidding" with partner afterwards.

I've seen a number of people advocate suggesting a club contract.

I'm not sure whether this makes sense in general.
I am especially leery about this suggestion given the specific auction to date.

If you are in a trump contract, you can't dodge club losers.
They are always going to come back to bite you.

If we had firm evidence that playing in clubs would give us an extrat trick via a ruff in the short hand this would be one thing.
Alternatively, if we thought that we needed to establish a long suit in partner's hand suggesting clubs would make sense.
But we don't...

Moreover, its unclear to me what kind of suit quality partner needs in order to sit for a club contract?
Is one honor? Does he need two? What about Kxxx? (I've seen people suggesting a grand in clubs)

Add in the fact that the auction to date is almost completely nonsensical and I think that these delicate club probes a recipe for disaster.
Unless you have a very well oiled partnership, a bid like this has a lot of ways to go wrong and not that many to succeed and the auction to date sure doesn't suggest a well oiled partnership...

[the hog]

hrothgar, on 2011-August-12, 06:22, said:

I've seen a number of people advocate suggesting a club contract.

I'm not sure whether this makes sense in general.
I am especially leery about this suggestion given the specific auction to date.

If you are in a trump contract, you can't dodge club losers.
They are always going to come back to bite you.

If we had firm evidence that playing in clubs would give us an extrat trick via a ruff in the short hand this would be one thing.
Alternatively, if we thought that we needed to establish a long suit in partner's hand suggesting clubs would make sense.
But we don't...

Moreover, its unclear to me what kind of suit quality partner needs in order to sit for a club contract?
Is one honor? Does he need two? What about Kxxx? (I've seen people suggesting a grand in clubs)

Add in the fact that the auction to date is almost completely nonsensical and I think that these delicate club probes a recipe for disaster.
Unless you have a very well oiled partnership, a bid like this has a lot of ways to go wrong and not that many to succeed and the auction to date sure doesn't suggest a well oiled partnership...

Yes, perhaps you are right Richard. I must admit that i bid 6C because I have NO idea what partner wants and because my bidding to date was ridiculous. I offered 6C as a possible contract. I agree, though that the Cs should probably be better for the 6C bid to be a good bid.

[jdeegan]

Bid 6NT before something else bad happens.