[fazzzoola]

I am curious as to why the "pass" option is not part of the FD CC. For example: 1C - 1N; pass. Why doesn't the FD CC include "pass" as a first option, before the other possible continuations? It is missing. If, as in my example, opener should pass on his second call, rather than make a bid, there is no descriptor available.

Who can I contact (and how) to ask for this update?

[mgoetze]

How can pass mean anything other than willingness to play the most recently bid contract? You'll be ending the auction if opps don't balance.

Anyway, I'm afraid there are no updates to FD forthcoming in the foreseeable future.

[ArtK78]

Maybe he is playing a forcing pass system in all seats.

[fazzzoola]

mgoetze, on 2011-August-12, 12:29, said:

How can pass mean anything other than willingness to play the most recently bid contract? You'll be ending the auction if opps don't balance.

Anyway, I'm afraid there are no updates to FD forthcoming in the foreseeable future.

OK, maybe I wasn't quite clear enough. Let's take a simple sequence;

1C - 1D;

1S - ??

Why is it, that at this point, responder's second round bid, there is no pass option for responder? The options start with 1N, etc., when they should really start with "pass" as the first option.

[mgoetze]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. How can pass mean anything other than "OK, let's play 1♠" in this sequence?

[shintaro]

mgoetze, on 2011-August-13, 03:26, said:

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. How can pass mean anything other than "OK, let's play 1♠" in this sequence?

mmmm What if you are playing 'Mandatory' re-opening Doubles to catch opponents who overcall on Rubbish

e.g. 1♥ 1♠ Pass (forcing partner to re-open with a Double cos you hold the ♠

[A2003]

fazzzoola, on 2011-August-12, 20:54, said:

OK, maybe I wasn't quite clear enough. Let's take a simple sequence;

1C - 1D;

1S - ??

Why is it, that at this point, responder's second round bid, there is no pass option for responder? The options start with 1N, etc., when they should really start with "pass" as the first option.

Click on constructive.
Pass will appear and u can write any meaning you want in the "PASS" bid..

[fazzzoola]

A2003, on 2011-August-13, 08:57, said:

Click on constructive.
Pass will appear and u can write any meaning you want in the "PASS" bid..

I did try that, alas, to no avail. No "pass" option at the top of the list.


Oh well... I guess I'll just have to learn to live with this shortcoming.


Thanks for trying.

[mgoetze]

shintaro, on 2011-August-13, 05:05, said:

mmmm What if you are playing 'Mandatory' re-opening Doubles to catch opponents who overcall on Rubbish

That's not very relevant if the opponents aren't bidding, which is how I understood the OP so far.

[helene_t]

yeah, pass is not defined by FD for the reason mgoetze gives.

But sometimes it is not obvious what pass means and it would be nice if FD could explain it. For example:

2♣*-(dbl)-pass? *strong, artificial
does the pass say anything about clubs?

(1NT)-x-(2♦)-pass?
If x did not have the disposition "defend undoubled" (weird agreement, but for the sake of the argument) then it is clear that pass is forcing but even so it is not obvious what hands qualify for a forcing pass.
And if x did have the disposition "defend undoubled" then it is not even clear if pass is forcing or not since some pairs play that we can defend 2M undoubled but not 2m.