[Mirjam_3]

i registered with a p for a 10 boards tournament.

after the start the td announced he changed the tourney to 12 boards.

I thought about it but i thought this is funny... why change it - i almost never play 12 boards tournaments (except from Gweny since i love her as td) and it was already late here, so i really wondered why it was changed...

I suppose the td got more complaints and was a little frustrated since he booted me. I do not think i was unfriendly, but ok, maybe it is a language bug and anyway i want to give u a good laugh...

This was how it went:

'Me: Why did u change the number of boards?
TD: I changed the boards'cause I am the TD
Me: ????????????
TD: ???
TD; You wanna play, or talk??
Me: So we always have to wait untill after start when u are td about the final amount of boards?

Automated message: You have been excused...

[luke warm]

sigh... if that's the way it went, it's pathetic

my sympathies...

[inquiry]

Please, please write to abuse at you know where and relay this story. Such actions can not be tolerated.. you signed a contract when you signed up..changing it was bad enough after the fact... but the attitude here is not becoming a director... **********my own personal opinion, not an kind of bbf or bbo position ************

[jtfanclub]

Mirjam_3, on Sep 27 2004, 05:39 PM, said:

i registered with a p for a 10 boards tournament.

after the start the td announced he changed the tourney to 12 boards....

OK, even I have a serious problem with that one.

[spwdo]

happend to me too one time after a misclick when i wanted to change minutes of baords, was private chatting , had tourneymanagement open, mouse misplaced and it happend, booted also someone who kept on complaining and didnt accepted my apoligies, i asked player if he/she preferd to be subbed, all i coud do at that time:( , but without the arrogance and the ?????.Remember it still as one of my big mistakes.


Marc

[uday]

The good news is that changes to Number-of-boards are ignored once the T launches.

[Rain]

Please write to abuse, and if there's any verbal (erm, typed) exchange that's useful, but private chat, then take screenshots...

Thanks


Rain

[helium]

this td should get her\his td priviliges removed. pls report it to abuse.


kenneth

[mpefritz]

(I am not a TD..just an occasional player)

I don't think the TD is way off here on booting the player. We have a snippet from a player. We do not have all the data from the TD. BUT. from the TDs side:

TD was in the middle of directing a tourney. A player was yapping at the TD about the change in number of boards -- which I am not excusing the director for doing and which the TD did not respond to appropriately.

However, the TD did ask a good question "You wanna play, or talk?" to which the player continued to talk. The TD, at this point, likely feels there is a player who is upset about the change in number of boards, is yapping instead of playing, and has been asked if she wants to play or talk. She chose to talk. Why would the director continue to have this player in the tournament when the TD would potentially be distractd by a continuing dialog about extra boards?

A discussion about this is best done after the tournament. The only reason I can see to complain about the change during the tournament is to get excused. All other such talk is non-productive and takes away from the TD doing the job.

fritz

[luke warm]

sorry fritz, i couldn't disagree more... it's the whole attitude thing we seem to see over and over from some td's... "you wanna play or talk?" is just what i mean... and look at the reason he gave for changing!! "because by damn i'm the td and that's all there is to it"

[mpefritz]

Mr. Warm:

No gripe about dinging the TD for the response of "I am TD and I rule ALL!!" or whatever. That was inappropriate. I said so in my response indirectly.

I am just proposing that the TD did ask about playing or not, because not wanting to play would be the main reason for griping about the change. Else gripe after the tournament when the TD's work is done. The player continued to gripe, so TD assumed talk not play.

What is the endgame of the complaint about extra boards: Play them or not? If not, then player can be excused. If yes, then play. The discussion during T time does not help the issue.

fritz

p.s. I am against TDs changing time/board upwards after T starts (unless done a la jtfanclub where a T length is given and won't be exceeded). I also think changing boards/round after T starts is not good, and might not even be possible per uday?. so this may be an issue of someone signing up and the boards/round was changed before start of T..

[peefco]

Uday said, Uday knows - its not possible to change the number of boards after tournament began. Another story is, is it ok to change it shortly before tourney starts ( some players may not notice that) ? But major thing in my opinion is "power trip". Did TD show that he is on "power trip" ? Maybe he was, but maybe we have more (much more important persons then TDs) on power trip on this server. Maybe its not a bad idea to think twice before we judge someone.

[McBruce]

In a club game, depending on the number of tables that attend and decisions of the TD, you may get 24 (6-table byestand Mitchell), 25 (3 table Howell), 26 (13 table Mitchell), 27 (9 table Mitchell), or 28 (7 table Mitchell) boards. Anyone ever heard a player complain about the uncertainty of knowing how many boards there were as they walked in?

Uday says that the number of boards cannot be changed after the start, ergo, a player wanting to play 10 and not 12 could have bailed once the change was made with no effect on completed-tournament stats.

(This is of course assuming it was not made with 3 seconds left before the start--a trick I may have to try some April Fools Day...)

We're talking about an extra quarter-hour here: even in clocked tournaments many TDs add that much time to 'difficult' rounds over the course of ten boards.

I think if I were running the tournament I would be a bit irked (as it seems that this TD perhaps was) by a complaint about such a trivial change. But one of the first things a good TD must learn is to get past the 'irked' and concentrate on finding solutions to problems. I would probably have said "Sorry, I changed it some time ago from the original setting and I guess you did not see the change. I can get you a sub for the last two if you prefer."

We're a little hard on the TD here. Last I saw we had changed "I changed the boards'cause I am the TD" to "because by damn i'm the td and that's all there is to it" and allegations that the TD was on a "power trip." Must be the election cycle. Let's not embellish the original reported quote to make a point, and let's understand that there are language barriers here that are quite formidable sometimes.

[Gerardo]

Bruce, not the same thing. Couple of boards more or less don't matter much in a club game, were you moved to play for like 2:30 or so at least, and accounting for some delay, and maybe they matter after all, people having to leave if it becomes too late.
Here, couple of boards can make the differene between being able to play, or not, if you have the exact time, if you are in your natural environment, you schedule different (at least I do)

[McBruce]

I'd agree if the TD changed from 10 to 15, 10 to 14. But 10 to 12 is trivial. Are people really splicing their time that finely? What's next: "I want to complain, I joined a 84 minute tournament and it took 88 minutes when the TD added a minute to four rounds. I missed the next tournament I had signed up for by one minute!"

I think it is unreasonable online to expect NEVER to have to play 2 minutes extra per board when deciding which following tournament to sign up for. I'm not saying that I would do it: but that in this specific case it is just not a big enough deal to complain about. If your time is spliced that finely, you SHOULD be checking for slight changes in the conditions in the last few minutes before the tourney begins.

[jdulmage]

Depends. We don't have the entire story for one thing. Secondly, I would have probably asked him to play or talk, just like he said. The player pressed on with the rant about why the boards were changed.

I would have probably booted him off as well, I have more important things to take care of like the game itself.

[peefco]

jdulmage, on Oct 4 2004, 02:39 AM, said:

Depends. We don't have the entire story for one thing. Secondly, I would have probably asked him to play or talk, just like he said. The player pressed on with the rant about why the boards were changed.

I would have probably booted him off as well, I have more important things to take care of like the game itself.

Well, the question is "for whom TD makes a tourney ?". If TD makes tourney for players then he should be very patient. If TD makes tourney to be a boss then yes, anyone whom he doesnt like for some reason can be barred. This two points is extreme, and I think both of them are wrong. Just go for golden middle then TD has a fun and players dont complain to much.

[hotShot]

McBruce, on Oct 4 2004, 12:33 AM, said:

I'd agree if the TD changed from 10 to 15, 10 to 14. But 10 to 12 is trivial. Are people really splicing their time that finely? What's next: "I want to complain, I joined a 84 minute tournament and it took 88 minutes when the TD added a minute to four rounds. I missed the next tournament I had signed up for by one minute!"

I think it is unreasonable online to expect NEVER to have to play 2 minutes extra per board when deciding which following tournament to sign up for. I'm not saying that I would do it: but that in this specific case it is just not a big enough deal to complain about. If your time is spliced that finely, you SHOULD be checking for slight changes in the conditions in the last few minutes before the tourney begins.

I dissagree here. 2 Boards more are 16 more minutes with 2 extra it can be 18.

Yesterday i planed to play a tourney at 9 pm. At 7.p.m. i was askes to join at 12 board tourney starting in 4 minutes. So it should have been finisched at 20:44 so i joined.
It acually finished 20:52 leaving me 8 minutes time.
I have no problem with that, but a last minute change of the number of boards even one more would have been to much.

If somehow i have time to play BBO for about a hour I can play 8 boards, i would not start to play 10.

[McBruce]

Yesterday i planed to play a tourney at 9 pm. At 7.p.m. i was askes to join at 12 board tourney starting in 4 minutes. So it should have been finisched at 20:44 so i joined.
It acually finished 20:52 leaving me 8 minutes time.
I have no problem with that, but a last minute change of the number of boards even one more would have been to much.


My point is simply this: if you are entering a tourney and following it with another, you should leave at least two minutes per board for time expansion, and you better check to see that the number of boards is the same when you show up to play.

We live in luxury at BBO. At a club you need to plan a route to the club that gets you there 15 minutes before so you can cope with traffic, pay the entry fee, find partner, find your assigned seat, etc. Online we can play, chat, surf, read the newspaper, do whatever we want without worrying about when the tourney starts, because the software places us. This means that many people don't even bother to go to the tournament room a few minutes in advance of the tournament. If you signed up a few days ago and the TD changed the start time or the number of boards AND you need to be somewhere else at such and such a time in the future, why on earth wouldn't you take 30 seconds to check?

I continue to be utterly amazed at the extended "spin" in this thread. First, as noted earlier, we were changing the statement that the TD made, from slightly huffy to dictatorial power trip. Now we are ASSUMING that the TD made the change from 10 to 12 boards at the last minute. This is NOT what the original poster said happened, and it is quite self-evident that we all think this is wrong.

Suggestion: lock in the number of boards and the minutes per board five minutes before the start of a tourney. Warn the TD with ten minutes left that he has five minutes to make final changes.

[jtfanclub]

McBruce, on Oct 4 2004, 02:52 PM, said:

My point is simply this: if you are entering a tourney and following it with another, you should leave at least two minutes per board for time expansion, and you better check to see that the number of boards is the same when you show up to play.

Two minutes per board is a lot for a clocked tourney. And with adding two boards, you've cut off virtually all of that. If this was 7 minutes per board, you've already gone from 70 minutes to 84 and have only 30 seconds per board of slack.

If you're going to increase the number of boards, I think it's more fair to cancel the tourney and start a new one than to adjust it after people have signed up. The same goes for moving up a tourney. I shouldn't need to check to make sure it's the same tourney I signed up for.