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yes, suction seems very effective, but it's banned by ACBL.
One big drawback of luis' structure I think is that it discloses too much
information to opponents.
An interesting defense against a strong 1c
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Posted 2003-October-27, 15:11
yes, suction seems very effective, but it's banned by ACBL.
Yes and no
Suction is NOT permitted as a defense to NT opening bids at the GCC of Midchart level.
In ACBL-Land, players are allow to use whatever methods that they see fit as defenses to strong club openings.
Yes and no
Suction is NOT permitted as a defense to NT opening bids at the GCC of Midchart level.
In ACBL-Land, players are allow to use whatever methods that they see fit as defenses to strong club openings.
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Posted 2003-October-28, 01:29
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yes, suction seems very effective, but it's banned by ACBL.
Yes and no
Suction is NOT permitted as a defense to NT opening bids at the GCC of Midchart level.
In ACBL-Land, players are allow to use whatever methods that they see fit as defenses to strong club openings.
Well, except for "Conventions and/or agreements whose primary purpose is to destroy the opponents' methods." (ACBL GCC) Over strong clubs and the like,
the ACBL tends to be very lenient (I expect non-transfer Suction would be fine - I know wonder bids (bid suit or takeout of bid suit) are). They, however, put this in to deny people totally destructive methods - like 1S automatic overcall ("shows 13 cards") and the like.
Time for me to throw in that query again if "could be short" 1Cs are conventional for the purposes of GCC-legal defences ...
Note: I may be misreading Richard, but just to be clear: Suction over NT is Midchart legal, but not GCC.
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Posted 2003-October-28, 02:40
the ACBL tends to be very lenient
With all due respect is this post a joke?
The ACBL is not lenient at all. You have absolutely totally restrictive and very silly system regulations which are killing the game in America. Good heavens, you don't even allow 2 bids which are played by lols in Australia.
With all due respect is this post a joke?
The ACBL is not lenient at all. You have absolutely totally restrictive and very silly system regulations which are killing the game in America. Good heavens, you don't even allow 2 bids which are played by lols in Australia.
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Posted 2003-October-28, 02:51
Defence On Strong Club (DOSC), mine is:
p :not the other cases
x :at least same strength
1d:d+h
1h:h+s
1s:s+c
1n:both minors
2c:c+h
2d:d+s
2h:heart suit
2s:spade suit
3x:pre-empty
p :not the other cases
x :at least same strength
1d:d+h
1h:h+s
1s:s+c
1n:both minors
2c:c+h
2d:d+s
2h:heart suit
2s:spade suit
3x:pre-empty
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Posted 2003-October-28, 06:25
Bhugi, aren't you wasting the double with the "at least same strength" bid?
When I have at least same strength I pass and bid later. The only later action possible that isn't very strong is a 3-suited double after for example (1C) p (1D) p (1S).
When I have at least same strength I pass and bid later. The only later action possible that isn't very strong is a 3-suited double after for example (1C) p (1D) p (1S).
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Posted 2003-November-01, 16:08
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the ACBL tends to be very lenient
With all due respect is this post a joke?
With all due respect is this post a joke?
No, just a misread.
If you read the full quote, you will find that I said "Over strong clubs and the like, the ACBL tends to be very lenient." And it's true - the GCC restrictions are minimal when defending against a conventional bid.
In fact, provided you haven't hooped yourself (by a too-weak or too-wide-range 1NT or weak 2 opening) and your methods aren't "primarily designed to destroy", *you can play anything* over the opponents' conventions.
I agree with you in general - the ACBL GCC is too restrictive in many ways, and their attitude of "you can play that at Mid-chart. Of course, good luck finding a Mid-chart game..." I find, at best, ingenious. But creatively misquoting me to slam the ACBL is not on.
Having said that...
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Good heavens, you don't even allow 2 bids which are played by lols in Australia.
Good heavens, I can play a system here in the special, protected 0-5 MP game that is *YELLOW* in Australia, just because KQJ85 T86 95 986 is a 2S opener. Hmm, it's even legal to play 4-suit 1-7 weak 2s here in NA - without even any silly "you can't play any conventions over that" problems, provided they're at least 65432...
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Are we going to bragg about what systems you're allowed to play??? Jeez!
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Posted 2003-November-06, 21:38
Sorry. I talk too much at the best of times. I was hoping to note "every NBO has their 'rules that don't make sense from the outside' ", not the opposite.
It was offtopic. I think it was necessary, though, if not to that length.
Sorry again,
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It was offtopic. I think it was necessary, though, if not to that length.
Sorry again,
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Posted 2003-November-09, 11:31
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Bhugi, aren't you wasting the double with the "at least same strength" bid?
When I have at least same strength I pass and bid later. The only later action possible that isn't very strong is a 3-suited double after for example (1C) p (1D) p (1S).
When I have at least same strength I pass and bid later. The only later action possible that isn't very strong is a 3-suited double after for example (1C) p (1D) p (1S).
Yes, it is a waste when you think you can always pass and rebid later.
However, sometimes it tells your partner that you have strength and he/she is more willing to bid with vul and not much strength.
Our style is always try to interfere the strong 1c to make the opp. bid in natural way lol
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Posted 2003-November-09, 13:05
Think this is the WRONG way to treat strong clubs
You must hit their BIG disadvantage hcp but no shape info IMMEDIATELY
does almost not matter HOW but THAT!
I use a multischeme action
X 1d 1h crash
1s any hand mostly balanced sometimes a psyche(long suit or whatever)
1nt long minor
2suit this suit next 2 up or any hand like above
2nt both minors
3C>> nat destructive
pass on trash AND on any good hand
yours Mike
You must hit their BIG disadvantage hcp but no shape info IMMEDIATELY
does almost not matter HOW but THAT!
I use a multischeme action
X 1d 1h crash
1s any hand mostly balanced sometimes a psyche(long suit or whatever)
1nt long minor
2suit this suit next 2 up or any hand like above
2nt both minors
3C>> nat destructive
pass on trash AND on any good hand
yours Mike