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#1 User is offline   mr1303 

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Posted 2011-July-16, 02:08



2C was strong, 2H was a natural positive, and tended to show a particularly good suit. 5D showed 1 or 4 key cards.

What do you lead here?
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Posted 2011-July-16, 05:30

Seems like an easy trump lead.
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Posted 2011-July-16, 07:40

I figure the declarer to have

xx
AQJxxxx
xx
xx

I figure the dummy to have:
KQJ
Kx
AQJ
AK10xx

Matchpoints I play A
Imps I play 8
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Posted 2011-July-16, 08:55

I lead the ace of spades at any form of scoring. The strong hand is on my left, partner is probably broke, we probably are not beating this but maybe a miracle will occur. It's in the nature of miracles that you cannot predict how they will take place so I won't try.

If you want me to be brilliant I will lead the deuce of spades, but I try to resist being brilliant.

I did once make such a brilliant lead against a five level contract but it was completely accidental. I had the ace of hearts and some small diamonds. After leading a diamond spot, I noticed that my ace of hearts was actually the ace of diamonds. The king was in the dummy and declarer played low, pard put up his Q from Qx and after he realized his queen held we got my ace and his ruff.

Still, I am laying down the spade ace.
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Posted 2011-July-16, 09:44

Partner has at maximum a J somewhere, so I really don't want to destroy any trick taking ability he may have. Holding the A10xx, I really don't want to give away the contract by allowing easy discards on the KQ by leading the A and to find partner with the J. I can't see much damage being done by leading a trump lead and a would more than likely only be giving them what is theirs anyway, but could cost.

In reality I can't see much hope in bringing this contract down and on that basis will lead the 8, giving declarer an awkward moment of looking down the barrel of two losers off the top, should he take the finesse. He may have some play for discarding on but may be short of entries if he goes up with the A and finding QJxx. There is still a chance at MP that this will not cost, but I firmly believe it's the best chance of bringing down the contract.
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Posted 2011-July-19, 06:05

I don't think we can beat this DD, so in MP I'd lead A and be glad with 6=. In imps you may try to deceive declarer by underleading A or leading a minor suit suggesting partner has some honor there.

Underleading A is quite classic, but partner can hardly have some values. If declarer misses Q, he should be able to place Q in partner's hand and play accordingly.

Leading the J is quite useless. You may hope declarer misguesses the situation, but there may not even be a possibility to misguess (dummy with AKT for example), or when you start discarding s he'll know you didn't lead from Jxx anyway.

8 gives us the best chance to deceive declarer imo, so in imps, it's definitely worth a shot.
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Posted 2011-July-19, 16:00



Approximate NS hands. As you can see a diamond lead is necessary to beat it.
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Posted 2011-July-19, 16:03

View Postmr1303, on 2011-July-19, 16:00, said:

Approximate NS hands. As you can see a diamond lead is necessary to beat it.


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Posted 2011-July-19, 17:13

I think he means the spade ace is onside, Phil. Unless you lead diamonds, declarer plays a spade up and makes.
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Posted 2011-July-19, 17:17

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-July-19, 17:13, said:

I think he means the spade ace is onside, Phil. Unless you lead diamonds, declarer plays a spade up and makes.


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Posted 2011-July-20, 09:15

Something must be wrong. It seems as though the guy opened 2 with 21 square. Shouldn't he have opened 2NT?
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Posted 2011-July-20, 09:33

View PostVM1973, on 2011-July-20, 09:15, said:

Something must be wrong. It seems as though the guy opened 2 with 21 square. Shouldn't he have opened 2NT?


The two 10's are worth a point with supporting honors, so I wouldn't hold upgrading it against him.
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Posted 2011-July-20, 10:48

You know, this upgrading and downgrading business makes your real 2NT range from 19-22. That's just too wide considering you don't have an invite sequence.

I suppose holding:
AKQJ
AKQ
AKQ
AKQ

It's not 'really' worth 37 points because there are no 10s.

Bidding 2 with that hand he deserves to have his partner bid 6NT holding:

xxx
QJ10x
KQx
QJx

only to find themselves off 2 aces.
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