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Just curious what you would bid at MP's.
I know of two bids that happened in the room:
4H and 4NT: You can assume that both show a 2-suiter S/D. 4H leaves 4S open & 4NT preempts more.
What would you do?
6-6 after opps bid 1C-1H
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Posted 2011-July-21, 03:41
Just curious what you would bid at MP's.
I know of two bids that happened in the room:
4H and 4NT: You can assume that both show a 2-suiter S/D. 4H leaves 4S open & 4NT preempts more.
What would you do?
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Posted 2011-July-21, 05:32
I find the two bids mentioned - 4♥ and 4NT - to be exceedingly strange.
I would bid 2NT, but a case can be made for 1♠ followed by diamonds at whatever level necessary, or 2♦ followed by spades at whatever level necessary.
There is no reason to assume that the opps will necessarily bid over 4♠, so 4NT seems unduly precipitous.
That said, I want to get both of my suits into the auction as soon as possible.
I would bid 2NT, but a case can be made for 1♠ followed by diamonds at whatever level necessary, or 2♦ followed by spades at whatever level necessary.
There is no reason to assume that the opps will necessarily bid over 4♠, so 4NT seems unduly precipitous.
That said, I want to get both of my suits into the auction as soon as possible.
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Posted 2011-July-21, 07:29
If 4H shows these two suits then I consider it the best option. Why is it exceedingly strange Art?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-July-21, 09:44
What about 2NT? I think 4H should be natural.
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Posted 2011-July-21, 10:22
2NT is normal. Later on force to at least 4♠ and you're done.
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Posted 2011-July-21, 10:30
When opps have bid 2 suits and you are in 4th seat, the lowest suit ( aka LHO or in this case: Opener's suit ) is the Micheals bid . If you bid Responder's suit ( RHO ), it is natural. Hence, there is a case that 4H is natural.
So for this hand, 2C! is Michaels or 2NT!... both showing the unbid suits.
Also, 4C! is Michaels. Pick one . I think I'd bid 4C!
So for this hand, 2C! is Michaels or 2NT!... both showing the unbid suits.
Also, 4C! is Michaels. Pick one . I think I'd bid 4C!
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Posted 2011-July-21, 11:18
playing 4♣ or 4♥ as anything but natural seems bizarre
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Posted 2011-July-21, 11:24
I'd play at least 2♣, 2♥, 4♥, 5♣ as natural. I suppose at the 3-level they might be western cues. Not sure about 4♣, but best not to bid it then.
Here I'd bid 2NT.
Here I'd bid 2NT.
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Posted 2011-July-21, 13:20
Thanks for 4NT showing my suits, I'll take it.
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Posted 2011-July-21, 13:46
If you guys believe 4♣ is natural, then how come 4 NT is not minors ? Assume u held same hand with minors 6-6...
If 4♥ showing this hand i wld take it, and there is no reason to debate this hand any further imo, but without any agreements , we have to find a way to bid this in a manner that avoids accidents/misunderstandings etc..
-1NT = open to misunderstanding if not agreed
-2♣/2♥ = same
- DBL = has the risk of being converted
-3♣/3♥ = same as 1 and 2 ♥
-4♣/4♥ = same
-4♠ = better than any of the above without an agreement but flawed
-4NT = I explained above, can mislead.
-1♠ = Under the circumstances and agreements that are not made, i choose this one by far better than any of the above and plan to bid my ♦ later at 5 level.
If 4♥ showing this hand i wld take it, and there is no reason to debate this hand any further imo, but without any agreements , we have to find a way to bid this in a manner that avoids accidents/misunderstandings etc..
-1NT = open to misunderstanding if not agreed
-2♣/2♥ = same
- DBL = has the risk of being converted
-3♣/3♥ = same as 1 and 2 ♥
-4♣/4♥ = same
-4♠ = better than any of the above without an agreement but flawed
-4NT = I explained above, can mislead.
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Posted 2011-July-21, 23:54
I would bid 2NT and then force to 4S.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 00:25
kgr, on 2011-July-21, 03:41, said:
MP's
Just curious what you would bid at MP's.
I know of two bids that happened in the room:
4H and 4NT: You can assume that both show a 2-suiter S/D. 4H leaves 4S open & 4NT preempts more.
What would you do?
4s
mp is a bit of a poker game, yes?
but I understand those who pick 2nt.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 01:54
mike777, on 2011-July-22, 00:25, said:
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mp is a bit of a poker game, yes?
but I understand those who pick 2nt.
mp is a bit of a poker game, yes?
but I understand those who pick 2nt.
4♠ is reasonable- partner to bid six with two aces including the ace of trumps after its strange to bid 4 without the ace of trumps. But change either suit to include the Ace and 2NT is a winner.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 03:07
I said that 4H and 4NT shows this 2-suiter, so it is not clear for me why you all think this shows something else for us. (We also play that 1NT, 2C, 2H, 2NT, 3C, 3H, ....show specific 2-suiters. Probably not best, but that is what we do).
I did bid 4NT and we ended in 5D.
Partner had a ♠x and ♦Ax. Both 4♠ and 5♦ (without a ♦-lead) make thanks to ♠ being 3-3. Opps had a save in 5♥-2, but that was difficult to find even without preempting them.
I did bid 4NT and we ended in 5D.
Partner had a ♠x and ♦Ax. Both 4♠ and 5♦ (without a ♦-lead) make thanks to ♠ being 3-3. Opps had a save in 5♥-2, but that was difficult to find even without preempting them.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 03:53
I also don't understand the comments. If the OP says that 4H and 4NT show these two suits, then those are the agreements to be used. Of course we can comment on the quality of those agreements. (I agree that 4H should be natural, and using 2H, 3H and 4H all as artificial seems really questionable.)
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Posted 2011-July-22, 04:00
kgr, on 2011-July-22, 03:07, said:
I said that 4H and 4NT shows this 2-suiter, so it is not clear for me why you all think this shows something else for us. (We also play that 1NT, 2C, 2H, 2NT, 3C, 3H, ....show specific 2-suiters. Probably not best, but that is what we do).
I did bid 4NT and we ended in 5D.
Partner had a ♠x and ♦Ax. Both 4♠ and 5♦ (without a ♦-lead) make thanks to ♠ being 3-3. Opps had a save in 5♥-2, but that was difficult to find even without preempting them.
I did bid 4NT and we ended in 5D.
Partner had a ♠x and ♦Ax. Both 4♠ and 5♦ (without a ♦-lead) make thanks to ♠ being 3-3. Opps had a save in 5♥-2, but that was difficult to find even without preempting them.
Well, if BOTH 4H AND 4NT show this hand, I have no idea why you did not bid 4H. If partner has a S fit and not a D fit you are forcing to 5S! Also I see no logic in having 2 bids showing the same hand.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 04:01
Yes, 4NT is really weird.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 05:07
I guess it is just semantics but I understood the OP saying that they know two types of actions taken with this hand around the room (not necessarily the OP's system) and asked how we would bid with this hand as opposed to which of these two actions would we pick from.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 06:27
I dont believe 4H should be natural, 2H & 3H i agree but not 4H.
A huge 2 suiter in position like is more frequent that RHO has psyched and i have a 4H bid (or that rho didnt psych and i have a 4H bid)
The 2 suiter bid at 4H rather than 4C give more preemption in a spot where its really important.
Having the 4H hand you still can pass and bid 4H, you lose preemption but in a spot where its less important since if rho psyched its because hes got a hube club fit anyway.
A huge 2 suiter in position like is more frequent that RHO has psyched and i have a 4H bid (or that rho didnt psych and i have a 4H bid)
The 2 suiter bid at 4H rather than 4C give more preemption in a spot where its really important.
Having the 4H hand you still can pass and bid 4H, you lose preemption but in a spot where its less important since if rho psyched its because hes got a hube club fit anyway.
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Posted 2011-July-22, 06:32
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-July-21, 10:30, said:
When opps have bid 2 suits and you are in 4th seat, the lowest suit ( aka LHO or in this case: Opener's suit ) is the Micheals bid . If you bid Responder's suit ( RHO ), it is natural. Hence, there is a case that 4H is natural.
So for this hand, 2C! is Michaels or 2NT!... both showing the unbid suits.
Also, 4C! is Michaels. Pick one . I think I'd bid 4C!
So for this hand, 2C! is Michaels or 2NT!... both showing the unbid suits.
Also, 4C! is Michaels. Pick one . I think I'd bid 4C!
Why are three different bids needed to show the two suiter?
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