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Do you play 3♠ asking for a stopper for nt, a ♥ raise or something else?
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how do you play this?
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Posted 2011-July-10, 21:50
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Posted 2011-July-10, 22:01
Stopper ask for me.
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Posted 2011-July-10, 22:06
I play it as a heart raise but that may be wrong. You have 3♥ and 4♥ as raises so you could play 3♠ as asking for a stopper (you could even play it as both...)
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2011-July-10, 23:05
I think if 2H was g.f., we don't need 3S to check for a stopper. Whatever our continuation which might deny a heart fit, partner will know whether she has a spade stopper and whether it might be appropriate to show it.
So, if 2H was G.F, 3S would show shortness and a fit in hearts but deny extra strength.
So, if 2H was G.F, 3S would show shortness and a fit in hearts but deny extra strength.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 08:11
aguahombre, on 2011-July-10, 23:05, said:
I think if 2H was g.f., we don't need 3S to check for a stopper. Whatever our continuation which might deny a heart fit, partner will know whether she has a spade stopper and whether it might be appropriate to show it.
So, if 2H was G.F, 3S would show shortness and a fit in hearts but deny extra strength.
So, if 2H was G.F, 3S would show shortness and a fit in hearts but deny extra strength.
How would you show a
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Posted 2011-July-11, 08:25
jillybean, on 2011-July-11, 08:11, said:
How would you show a spade fit and slam interest?
If I had a spade fit with the opponents? I don't know. But, if you meant hearts, I can simply set hearts as trump at the 3-level by bidding them if 2H by pard was g.f. Now pard can cue as a courtesy with a really nice G.F. or can bid 3NT artificial to show a huge responding hand which is interested in slam opposite routine opening 1M bids with heart support.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 08:57
This needs multiple possible meanings assigned by priority. The first priority is as a 3NT stopper ask. The second priority is a spade cue bid with slam interest and will need to be clarified by the 3♠ caller. This clarification is straight forward over 3NT but could get tricky over whatever call responder has to make when he doesnt have a ♠ stopper.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 09:00
Even though I play 2/1, in competition this does not apply and so 2♥ is simply competitive, forcing for one round but not game forcing. This means that a heart raise is competing, non-forcing and not appropriate for a slam try.
When discussing the meaning of 3♠ you have to include the other options that are available. Generally a non-fitting weak notrump hand is going to pass. What does double mean? What are 2NT and 3NT? The answers to these questions should help define 3♠.
When discussing the meaning of 3♠ you have to include the other options that are available. Generally a non-fitting weak notrump hand is going to pass. What does double mean? What are 2NT and 3NT? The answers to these questions should help define 3♠.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 10:32
pooltuna, on 2011-July-11, 08:57, said:
This needs multiple possible meanings assigned by priority. The first priority is as a 3NT stopper ask. The second priority is a spade cue bid with slam interest and will need to be clarified by the 3♠ caller. This clarification is straight forward over 3NT but could get tricky over whatever call responder has to make when he doesnt have a ♠ stopper.
I agree with this, but would add in a very good hand with clubs.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 13:55
We play a heart fit.
All hands with interest in no trumps but needing more information start with a takeout double.
All hands with interest in no trumps but needing more information start with a takeout double.
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Posted 2011-July-12, 10:43
We currently play
1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (2♠) note 2♥ is f1r, not gf
3♠ asking for a spade stopper, could be an advanced cue in support of hearts.
2N (11-13 showing a spade stopper)
3N (14+ showing a spade stopper)
X undefined, we play support doubles through 2♥
1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (2♠) note 2♥ is f1r, not gf
3♠ asking for a spade stopper, could be an advanced cue in support of hearts.
2N (11-13 showing a spade stopper)
3N (14+ showing a spade stopper)
X undefined, we play support doubles through 2♥
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Posted 2011-July-12, 11:02
jillybean, on 2011-July-12, 10:43, said:
We currently play
1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (2♠) note 2♥ is f1r, not gf
3♠ asking for a spade stopper, could be an advanced cue in support of hearts.
2N (11-13 showing a spade stopper)
3N (14+ showing a spade stopper)
X undefined, we play support doubles through 2♥
1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (2♠) note 2♥ is f1r, not gf
3♠ asking for a spade stopper, could be an advanced cue in support of hearts.
2N (11-13 showing a spade stopper)
3N (14+ showing a spade stopper)
X undefined, we play support doubles through 2♥
In general, IMO when the other side has bid and raised a suit, we have found very limited need to have 3 different ways of probing for (or placing us in) a notrump contract; and leaving another call undefined.
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Posted 2011-July-12, 16:58
With my favorite partner, we would have played X support, 2NT good/bad, 3H 'good', 3S stopper-asking, 3NT to play, but in the more typical arrangement where X isn't support after 2S, you have a variety of choices what hands to put into the double. I don't really know what is most common.
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