[kgr]

MP's<br>All Green

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What do you open?
2♠=Muiderberg (weak 5c♠; 4+minor)

- If you open 1♣ (2+ card) then:
Partner transfers to ♥ (T-Walsh).
1♣-1♦!(xfer♥)
1♠-2NT (1♠ denies 3c♥)
??

- If you open the bidding with a Pass You can :
- - first bid ♣ and then ♠ (GF)
- - First bid ♠, and retransfer to ♠ after partner bids 1NT; If you then bid ♣ this is GF. (with 5c♠ and 4+♣)
- - First bid ♠, and transfer to ♣ (with 2♠) after partner bids 1NT; If you then rebid ♠ this is undefined. (but first bidding ♠ then ♣ denies a 5c♠ & denies GF values)

[ArtK78]

I open with 1♣ and follow the bidding you set out for that start. Over 2NT I bid 3♠. If partner continues with 3NT, I bid 4♣.

So far, no problems.

[Free]

I don't like that hand very much, but we don't need much from partner to make game. So I prefer 1♣ over a Muiderberg. After the opening I'll bid ♠ twice to show 5♠-6♣.

[mgoetze]

kgr, on 2011-July-13, 10:43, said:

- If you open the bidding with a Pass You can : [...] (GF)

Really?

[Lurpoa]

mgoetze, on 2011-July-14, 08:25, said:

Really?

What are you trying to tell ?
Your "really" seems very manipulative to us ......

[mtvesuvius]

Lurpoa, on 2011-July-14, 12:00, said:

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What are you trying to tell ?
Your "really" seems very manipulative to us ......

Can you not READ?!

Obviously he is talking about the fact that a passed hand should not be able to GF.

[Lurpoa]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-July-14, 12:03, said:

Can you not READ?!

Obviously he is talking about the fact that a passed hand should not be able to GF.

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Oh,yes, might be be true....

Anyway, good to hear your opinion.

It would be nice if everyone would appreciate the ideas of others, without making fun of them.

[Phil]

And I suppose the term "manipulative' is good natured...

And who the heck is "us" anyway?

[kgr]

mgoetze, on 2011-July-14, 08:25, said:

Really?

Maybe it is not really GF after initial Pass

[kgr]

kgr, on 2011-July-13, 10:43, said:

MP's<br>All Green

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What do you open?
2♠=Muiderberg (weak 5c♠; 4+minor)

- If you open 1♣ (2+ card) then:
Partner transfers to ♥ (T-Walsh).
1♣-1♦!(xfer♥)
1♠-2NT (1♠ denies 3c♥)
??

- If you open the bidding with a Pass You can :
- - first bid ♣ and then ♠ (GF)
- - First bid ♠, and retransfer to ♠ after partner bids 1NT; If you then bid ♣ this is GF. (with 5c♠ and 4+♣)
- - First bid ♠, and transfer to ♣ (with 2♠) after partner bids 1NT; If you then rebid ♠ this is undefined. (but first bidding ♠ then ♣ denies a 5c♠ & denies GF values)

our bidding was:
Pass-1♥
1♠-1NT
2♠!-3♣! (2♠=xfer ♣; 3♣=bad hand)
3♠-Pass
- I opened 1♥ in 3th hand and had an 11 HCP 2=5=4=2 hand.
I passed 3♠ because we are a new partership & I thought partner misbid and tried to correct to 3♠.
We did go down but it was still a decent score because most other pairs were higher and did go down more.

- Would you still open 1♣ if you change the ♣J or ♣Q to a small ♣?
- Would you also open 1♣ with 1=5=1=7 hand & reverse 2♥ if partner bids 1♠?

Thanks,
Koen

[Hanoi5]

1♣ and 3♠ later.

[xxhong]

This hand is probably closer to a 3C opening than to 1C.

[kgr]

xxhong, on 2011-July-14, 15:09, said:

This hand is probably closer to a 3C opening than to 1C.

I was surprised that everyone was opening 1C with this hand. (and I wonder what they would do if the hand was slightly weaker OR if ♠ & ♥ were reversed).
But I never thought that anyone would open it 3♣

[Free]

kgr, on 2011-July-14, 13:00, said:

- Would you still open 1♣ if you change the ♣J or ♣Q to a small ♣?

No, the QJT makes this holding nice. In that case I'd open a Muiderberg.

kgr, on 2011-July-14, 13:00, said:

- Would you also open 1♣ with 1=5=1=7 hand & reverse 2♥ if partner bids 1♠?

I'd also open 1♣ but I wouldn't reverse. Just rebid 2♣, unless you have alternatives like 3♥ specifically showing a minimum 5♥-6♣.