[Free]

Last night in my local club, I get following bunker:

Scoring: MP

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I'm preparing myself for a GF 2-suiter opening, but my partner opens 1♦! I already smell some slam coming around, and with our methods a jump shows GF. So I bid 2♠ GF with 6+♠s. Bidding continues and we end up in 7♠ (opps quiet):

1♦ - 2♠
3♣ - 3♥
3♠ - 4NT (RKC ♠)
5♥ - 7♠

Partner's hand was:

Scoring: MP

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7♠ made on a lucky 3-3 split, but 7♥ is a LOT safer. I thought my partner should've bid 4♥ instead of 3♠ after 4sf, but he felt like the stiff ♠ was more important to show (however with a 7 card I would probably bid 3♠).

Now I wonder, how do you guys find 7♥, the safer slam? With relays it's über easy, but in natural bidding you get that damned 4sf

[Fluffy]

try this:

1♦-1♠
2♣-3♥*
4♣*-4NT
5♥-7♥

3♥=5+-5+ GF
4♣ promises 3 card support, with no fit on etiher major you bid 3NT or 4♠/♥ denying slam interest.

I never played strong jump shifts, but I beleive its designed for 1-suiter hands, not 2-suiters.

[hrothgar]

Fluffy, on Sep 24 2004, 02:43 PM, said:

I never played strong jump shifts, but I believe its designed for 1-suiter hands, not 2-suiters.

I'm actually quite fond of Strong Jump Shifts over minor suit openings. However, as Fluffy points out, these work best if you play a disciplined style. As I learned SJS, the bid promises one of three different hand types:

1. A self sufficient suit that expects to play for no losers opposite X in support.
2. A NT orient hand with a 5+ card suit
3. A 5-4 type hand with a sgood 5 card suit and secondary support for partner's minor.

Accordingly, I wouldn't jump to 2♠ with the hand in question.

[EricK]

1♦ 1♠
2♣ 2♥
3♦ 3♥
4♣ 4NT etc

The 2♥ is FSF, 3♦ is nothing more to say, 3♥ is natural GF at least 5-5, 4♣ is cue-bid.

If you have the agreement that this hand starts with a SJS, then you probably need to also play that 5-5 hands show the second suit, but 5-4 hands rebid NT if there is a danger of using up to much room. In your sequence, then, opener could support the 3♥ bid knowing it was a 5 carder.

Eric

[flytoox]

dont jump rebid 2s with this hand, start with 1s. jump shift only if
1) has fit
2) solid single suit
3) 18-19 balanced hand with a suit.

refer to lawrence's 2/1 workbook:)

[EricK]

flytoox, on Sep 24 2004, 04:35 PM, said:

dont jump rebid 2s with this hand, start with 1s. jump shift only if
1) has fit
2) solid single suit
3) 18-19 balanced hand with a suit.

refer to lawrence's 2/1 workbook:)

This is the theory, but I am not sure it isn't going a bit far.

If I think that I will be able to bid to the correct contract after eg 1♠ 2♥ with any GF hand with long hearts (and that is what one does believe if one plays 2/1GF), then I should also be able to do it after 1♣ 2♥, even if I have a second suit, or non solid ♥ or even a measly 16 balanced points.

Lawrence's points, however, are valid if the JS is to the 3 level.

So my "2/1 extended" system (patent pending) says that all 2/1 bids are GF whether they are jumps or not, and all 1/1 bids are therefore non-forcing. It's so simple, it must work

Eric

[luke warm]

i like eric's auction up to 4c, since i'm not positive that would be understood as a cuebid for hearts..
1d/1s
2c/2h
3d/3h
4h/4nt

[EricK]

luke warm, on Sep 25 2004, 12:40 AM, said:

i like eric's auction up to 4c, since i'm not positive that would be understood as a cuebid for hearts..
1d/1s
2c/2h
3d/3h
4h/4nt

It may not be understood as such, but it clearly should be!

If opener has "nothing more to say" over the FSF 2♥, then he doesn't have rebiddable ♣. So when responder shows that his hand has genuine ♥, thus making the hand a misfit, opener can not possibly want to rebid ♣ naturally now.

The trouble with bidding 4♥, and not 4♣ is that responder might be worried that openers hand is ♠x xxx ♦AKQJx ♣QJxx.

Eric

[luke warm]

i'm not arguing with you, i'm just saying why i'd not bid 4c (which is obviously better, if it's understood)