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Posted 2011-June-26, 22:10
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Posted 2011-June-26, 22:15
I cannot do much else other than bid 3♦...this is the power of preempts, life is not perfect. Do I want to hear 4♥if I double? NO..can I bid 3NT..NO..
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Posted 2011-June-27, 04:56
3D.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 05:28
I bid 3H showing S+D.
(2-suits T/O of preempts; 1-suit jumps or X then shows; bal starts X)
Partner is well placed to choose our spot.
(2-suits T/O of preempts; 1-suit jumps or X then shows; bal starts X)
Partner is well placed to choose our spot.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 05:36
dake50, on 2011-June-27, 05:28, said:
I bid 3H showing S+D.
(2-suits T/O of preempts; 1-suit jumps or X then shows; bal starts X)
Partner is well placed to choose our spot.
(2-suits T/O of preempts; 1-suit jumps or X then shows; bal starts X)
Partner is well placed to choose our spot.
Which is fine if it wasn't 3♦ or 3♣x
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Posted 2011-June-27, 06:28
3♦
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Posted 2011-June-27, 06:48
3♦ is the only reasonable choice. With such hand we need to do something, but if we Dbl partner will probably bid some number of ♥, and if we bid 3NT we might go -3 after ♣ to AKxxxxx.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 07:01
Nice hand for an ELC double. If pard bids n♥, you bid n♠ showing the two other suits + extras.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 07:10
3♦, no problem yet.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 11:03
Thank you all for your (virtually unanimous) suggestions. That's about what I thought it should be, but I wanted to make sure.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 12:05
BunnyGo, on 2011-June-27, 11:03, said:
Thank you all for your (virtually unanimous) suggestions. That's about what I thought it should be, but I wanted to make sure.
Surely you had another reason, or were considering another call besides 3♦?
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Posted 2011-June-27, 12:07
Phil, on 2011-June-27, 12:05, said:
Surely you had another reason, or were considering another call besides 3♦?
Yeah, at the table I doubled. As soon as I did, I was sure it was wrong. Partner had 4=5=2=2. He bid 3H. I then (in the grave I had dug myself) decided to continue digging and bid 3NT. Partner then left it in. All in all, I was hoping to not share how badly I bid this hand, but wanted to make sure I knew what to do next time so that my hand didn't stray towards the red card.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 14:34
(1) I'm not sure dble is that terrible. A 5-2 heart fit could be the best spot if partner has no club values. Your hand could be very powerful in hearts opposite hands that would float 3d.
(2) You could easily play in 3d going off when 4S was cold opposite some 4423.
(3) The chance of playing in a 4-2 fit is very small, given that if partner has 44 in the majors he will definitely bid 4C. In fact some people would do this with 4-5 aswell since the 4-4 fit rates to play better than a 5-3 fit anyway,and if dbler has 4-4 he should bid the lower one when doubler is say 4-3-4-2.
(4) Its not as if your diamond suit is do good that 3d is guaranteed to be a decent place to play.
Lots to think about. Bonus questions for the panel:
Are you closer to dble if partner was unpassed? This obviously depends a lot on agreements but here a large fraction of hands with six hearts are ruled out by the failure to make a weak two. Many of these hands might pass over 3d when 4H is virtually cold.
What would you do over 4c?
(2) You could easily play in 3d going off when 4S was cold opposite some 4423.
(3) The chance of playing in a 4-2 fit is very small, given that if partner has 44 in the majors he will definitely bid 4C. In fact some people would do this with 4-5 aswell since the 4-4 fit rates to play better than a 5-3 fit anyway,and if dbler has 4-4 he should bid the lower one when doubler is say 4-3-4-2.
(4) Its not as if your diamond suit is do good that 3d is guaranteed to be a decent place to play.
Lots to think about. Bonus questions for the panel:
Are you closer to dble if partner was unpassed? This obviously depends a lot on agreements but here a large fraction of hands with six hearts are ruled out by the failure to make a weak two. Many of these hands might pass over 3d when 4H is virtually cold.
What would you do over 4c?
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Posted 2011-June-27, 18:37
BunnyGo, on 2011-June-27, 12:07, said:
Yeah, at the table I doubled. As soon as I did, I was sure it was wrong. Partner had 4=5=2=2. He bid 3H. I then (in the grave I had dug myself) decided to continue digging and bid 3NT. Partner then left it in. All in all, I was hoping to not share how badly I bid this hand, but wanted to make sure I knew what to do next time so that my hand didn't stray towards the red card.
4=5=2=2. How many points? Maybe he should have bid 4♣. Maybe he should have pulled 3NT to 4♠. You should have a 4-card major for your double.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 18:47
jogs, on 2011-June-27, 18:37, said:
4=5=2=2. How many points? Maybe he should have bid 4♣. Maybe he should have pulled 3NT to 4♠. You should have a 4-card major for your double.
Partner's hand was:
J864, QT863, T7, 94
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Posted 2011-June-27, 19:39
Did anyone notice that parther is a passed hand? I am passing this hand. 3D on that suit is awful in my opinion. X is a little better, but not much. I don't like pass either, but I think it is better than the other options.
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Posted 2011-June-27, 19:51
the hog, on 2011-June-27, 19:39, said:
Did anyone notice that parther is a passed hand? I am passing this hand. 3D on that suit is awful in my opinion. X is a little better, but not much. I don't like pass either, but I think it is better than the other options.
Pass is not unreasonable for me. I like it much more than DBL. I'd still bid 3♦ though.
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Posted 2011-June-28, 07:14
BunnyGo, on 2011-June-27, 18:47, said:
Partner's hand was:
J864, QT863, T7, 94
J864, QT863, T7, 94
Seems like the real problem was that you tried to rescue yourself by bidding 3N. You look likely to make at least 7 tricks in 3h, when opponents are virtually a lock for 3c=, so only lost a couple of imps if you pass 3h.
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Posted 2011-June-28, 07:24
MrAce, on 2011-June-27, 19:51, said:
Pass is not unreasonable for me. I like it much more than DBL. I'd still bid 3♦ though.
What would you bid if RHO had opened 1♣?
pass, double, 1♦, 1♠, or 1NT?
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3♦ = 10, 3N = 9, _X = 7