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1) What does partners 4♦ promise?
2) Which meaning have 4♥, 4♠ and 4NT?
3) Any idea what is the best bid in this situation?
This was the actual hand:
Who is to blame for not reaching slam?
I'm looking forward to your answers
Al
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Posted 2011-June-13, 07:17
1) What does partners 4♦ promise?
2) Which meaning have 4♥, 4♠ and 4NT?
3) Any idea what is the best bid in this situation?
This was the actual hand:
Who is to blame for not reaching slam?
I'm looking forward to your answers
Al
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Posted 2011-June-13, 07:33
1. 4♦ should show at least 6 diamonds (5 might be possible I suppose but unlikely) with a hand with at least 13 HCP (it's forcing game, you don't pre-empt over pre-empt).
2. 4♥ should be natural. 4♠ is a cue-bid showing a great hand, I'm not sure whether it shows diamond support or not, though, but I'd say it tends to. 4NT could be natural or RKCB, I would take it as the later but some might take it as the former.
3. The best bid might be 4♠, but then partner might want to play in diamonds. I would just bid 6♣, expecting partner to have the heart control. I suppose 5♣ is another possiblility, and then partner will take us to slam (but that might not be true, we would bid 5♣ with a small singleton diamond and a loser in spades, though that sounds pessimistic).
Whatever you decide to do pass shouldn't be an option and partner also had the possibility to make a negative double so his hand should be stronger and probably doesn't want to play in NT. I'd bid 6♣ myself but I think your partner could have bid it over your 5♣.
2. 4♥ should be natural. 4♠ is a cue-bid showing a great hand, I'm not sure whether it shows diamond support or not, though, but I'd say it tends to. 4NT could be natural or RKCB, I would take it as the later but some might take it as the former.
3. The best bid might be 4♠, but then partner might want to play in diamonds. I would just bid 6♣, expecting partner to have the heart control. I suppose 5♣ is another possiblility, and then partner will take us to slam (but that might not be true, we would bid 5♣ with a small singleton diamond and a loser in spades, though that sounds pessimistic).
Whatever you decide to do pass shouldn't be an option and partner also had the possibility to make a negative double so his hand should be stronger and probably doesn't want to play in NT. I'd bid 6♣ myself but I think your partner could have bid it over your 5♣.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 07:48
One thing for sure: pard has points.
I don't really see how to disentangle this, since no bid except the min-looking 5♣ can contribuite to sort out what suit we should be playing.
I would probably end up bidding 4♠ and later loosing patience and shooting at 6NT out of annoyance.
I don't really see how to disentangle this, since no bid except the min-looking 5♣ can contribuite to sort out what suit we should be playing.
I would probably end up bidding 4♠ and later loosing patience and shooting at 6NT out of annoyance.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 08:25
Should be in GIB forum- its not a free bid to bid with 17 HCP, that's a forcing natural bid. 4D should be artificial strong force- who wants to compete minor over minor.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 08:43
cloa513, on 2011-June-13, 08:25, said:
Should be in GIB forum- its not a free bid to bid with 17 HCP, that's a forcing natural bid. 4D should be artificial strong force- who wants to compete minor over minor.
Strongly disagree.
4♦ is natural and forcing.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 14:04
#1 4D is natural.
#2 4H - unclear, but I would say natural as well.
#3 4S - slam try for diamonds
#4 4NT - RKCB for diamonds, declarer may intend to play in clubd
..........
I am bidding 6C
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#2 4H - unclear, but I would say natural as well.
#3 4S - slam try for diamonds
#4 4NT - RKCB for diamonds, declarer may intend to play in clubd
..........
I am bidding 6C
With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2011-June-13, 16:44
Yeah you just have to guess some number of clubs over 4D I think.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 10:48
What would 5NT be? GSF? Pick a slam? I like pick a slam here...
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Posted 2011-June-15, 02:04
If the explanation is 12-13 total points, I guess 5♣ is a huge underbid so I blame South for lying to his robot partner (also note that the robot can't read hesitations 
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I would probably bid 6♣, although I like 5NT as well.
).I would probably bid 6♣, although I like 5NT as well.
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