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#1 User is offline   apjames 

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Posted 2011-June-09, 06:14



Would appreciate any thoughts. North's pass forces XX, either to play or to bid 4 card suits up the line.
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Posted 2011-June-09, 07:32

What's 2? Is it a bad hand afraid of the redouble (then why didn't it wait for it)? I suppose 2 is 'forcing' unless partner is showing a very bad hand and I'd bid that.

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Posted 2011-June-09, 07:48

Hi,

you are certainly strong enough, to give it one more try.

Bid your 5 card suit, the alternative would be to raise 2D to 3D,
even when this ends up in a 4-3 fit contract to be played on the
3 level, this wont be too catastrophic.

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Posted 2011-June-09, 07:53

I am a 2 advocate as well. Don't see how else you are going to find an 8 card major suit fit.
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Posted 2011-June-09, 08:40

View Postapjames, on 2011-June-09, 06:14, said:



Would appreciate any thoughts. North's pass forces XX, either to play or to bid 4 card suits up the line.



Eeast seems to be weak.....did we expect anything else ? It might have been wise to pass, if the vulnerabilities were reveresd. But here we do not want to miss the vulnerable game.
So give it one more try: 2. Anyway it is not sure that 2 is a better contract than 2, probably not, even if it was only for the strong hand on the table.

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Posted 2011-June-09, 12:22


IMO without any special agreement, 2 should be weak but a reasonable suit.
A delayed 2 should still be weak but is more likely to be a scramble.
Now 2 = 10, (because it's pairs) 3 = 9 (in case partner thinks 2 showed values)

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Posted 2011-June-09, 12:54

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IMO without any special agreement, 2 should be weak but a reasonable suit.
A delayed 2 should still be weak but is more likely to be a scramble.
Now 2 = 10, (because it's pairs) 3 = 9 (in case partner thinks 2 showed values)







How nice....

I didn't think about the possiblity of a pass and a 2bid if the XX gets passed out.

So yes, I agree with your viewpoint: 2 direct is a 5card, the delayed 2 is only a 4 card, and the lowest of 2, and invites to bid a higher ranking 4card, if not 4-3.


This said, comming back to the hand: do we still go for a game try in after 2. I think yes.

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Posted 2011-June-09, 13:28

It seems to me that partner should have something like 0-6 points and 5+ diamonds. Stronger hands are willing to defend 1NT-XX. Flatter hands would scramble.
I don't see how 2 by us could be "forcing". I expect partner to pass routinely with a doubleton or even a singleton spade. This being the case (and given our poor spade suit), I would opt for safety and pass 2.
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Posted 2011-June-09, 17:09

This sequence was undiscussed, but I figured that parnter had two ways to bid here, and that a suit after the XX would be scrambling, so this bid must show some values?.At the table I bid 2 and partner raised to 3. I thought I had a clear raise to game then.
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Posted 2011-June-09, 17:23

No, if a delayed 2 is scrambling it means that 2 now shows a single-suited hand while a delayed 2 shows a more flexible hand. It doesn't mean that a direct 2 shows values. Obviously you can have other agreements about the difference between the direct and the delayed 2 but in any case the direct bid doesn't show values. With values you pass, happy to defending 1NTxx, or maybe doubling whatever suit they run to after the xx.
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Posted 2011-June-09, 18:03

I would expect 2 to show long diamonds and no values, so I would pass 2.

Sometimes 5 might make, but we have no sensible way of finding out when. We could raise to 3 but that won't really tell partner when he should bid on.

I wouldn't bid 2 because partner will usually pass that even with spade shortage. Someone suggested that partner will pull the double to 2 with as many as 6 points, I don't agree with that.
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Posted 2011-June-12, 14:28

My personal preference is that partner passes over the redouble unless they have a good reason not to... This means that 2 shows probably a fairly weak hand with a lot of diamonds. I'll try 2 now, although I think 3 could certainly be right.
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