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Natural or....?
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Posted 2011-June-02, 16:55
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Posted 2011-June-02, 17:17
Natural.
Unusual, but natural.
Unusual, but natural.
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Posted 2011-June-03, 05:00
mr1303, on 2011-June-02, 16:55, said:
(1H) 1NT (P) P
(2D) P (P) 2H
What should this mean?
(2D) P (P) 2H
What should this mean?
yes, what should this mean ?
Is it natural ? 2♥ to play ?
Or is it a T/O for the blacks ?
Yes, on of those on which you need to agree with Partner.
My preference go to natural: partner has shown some values in ♥....
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Posted 2011-June-03, 06:19
No reason for anything else but natural. If you had 5♠ you'd have already transfered (or bid them if no sys on). Thus you could bid 2♠ here with some 45+ in blacks you couldn't bid before.
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Posted 2011-June-03, 06:43
Opener has a trashy hand with 5 hearts and 5 good diamonds, no reason your partner doesn't have at least 5 good hearts.
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Posted 2011-June-03, 06:55
I'm assuming that the auction is not a canape auction or any other auction where hearts could be a 4-card suit. If hearts could be a 4-card suit, then obviously natural is best.
assuming that 1♥ promised 5 (sure -- this could be a lie or deviation, but whatever), playing 2♥ as natural seems silly. It could be rioght to declare hearts, but this seems less useful than alternatives.
One simply alternative is the grown-up reopening. This would distinguish a hand that is purely competitive from a hand where this new information suggests a potentially well-fitting game, albeit somewhat remote.
assuming that 1♥ promised 5 (sure -- this could be a lie or deviation, but whatever), playing 2♥ as natural seems silly. It could be rioght to declare hearts, but this seems less useful than alternatives.
One simply alternative is the grown-up reopening. This would distinguish a hand that is purely competitive from a hand where this new information suggests a potentially well-fitting game, albeit somewhat remote.
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Posted 2011-June-04, 05:25
Really unusual bid. But according to the common-sense meta-rule "undiscussed = natural", it should be natural.
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Posted 2011-June-04, 06:18
natural bid. I hope aguahombre is reading this, since this is a good example of gnasher's rule for penalty doubles: when one of us promised 5 of a suit, doubles of that suit are for penalties.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2011-June-04, 07:49
kenrexford, on 2011-June-03, 06:55, said:
I'm assuming that the auction is not a canape auction or any other auction where hearts could be a 4-card suit. If hearts could be a 4-card suit, then obviously natural is best.
assuming that 1♥ promised 5 (sure -- this could be a lie or deviation, but whatever), playing 2♥ as natural seems silly. It could be rioght to declare hearts, but this seems less useful than alternatives.
One simply alternative is the grown-up reopening. This would distinguish a hand that is purely competitive from a hand where this new information suggests a potentially well-fitting game, albeit somewhat remote.
assuming that 1♥ promised 5 (sure -- this could be a lie or deviation, but whatever), playing 2♥ as natural seems silly. It could be rioght to declare hearts, but this seems less useful than alternatives.
One simply alternative is the grown-up reopening. This would distinguish a hand that is purely competitive from a hand where this new information suggests a potentially well-fitting game, albeit somewhat remote.
yes, agreed, but such an alternatve should have been discussed with partner.
As already indicated: "without agreement, 2♥=natural.
Do not forget that the 2♥bidder hasn't a real good hand, nor even a limit hand: he did take no action on on partner's overcall: 2♥ there would have been a game going cue-bid.
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