[jillybean]

Here's a hand from the team match today.

4th seat NV you pick up A, AKx, AQxxxxx, Qx

[Phil]

1♦ but its close.

[han]

1D, doesn't seem that close to me.

[BunnyGo]

As usual, I agree with han.

[Hanoi5]

I agree with han.

[fuburules3]

What is the maximum hand people open 3D in 4th seat with? I would think this hand is too strong, but how much weaker would it have to be?

[pooltuna]

as ugly as this hand is; well it will be ugly as soon as partner bids 1♠ and not much better over 1♥; it is still not a 2♣ opener. I will probably have to manufacture a jump shift over 1M

[ArtK78]

fuburules3, on 2011-May-24, 12:25, said:

What is the maximum hand people open 3D in 4th seat with? I would think this hand is too strong, but how much weaker would it have to be?

A minimum opening bid with 7 good diamonds. Game should not be likely opposite a good passed hand unless it is based on my hand having 7 good diamonds.

[whereagles]

it's a clear 2♣ to me, but I'm the odd guy here.

[jillybean]

I opened 1♦ and jumped to 3♦ over partners 1♠. That is where I played opposite KJ953 6 9 A98753
Making 5 for -10imps. The other table opened 2♣ and managed to get to 5♦.

[mike777]

Ya you hve a tough rebid/tough hand maybe?

1d=1s
2h?=2s(minimum)
3d=3nt?
now
5d or p?
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Jump rebid in minors can be very wide ranging and often ugly auctions...but reverses into 3 card majors can get ugly too.

[jillybean]

I'm not sure that we should be in game. If the ♦KJ hadn't been doubleton , onside we'd be saying "good bid".

[the hog]

1D and it is not close.

[655321]

jillybean, on 2011-May-24, 15:16, said:

I opened 1♦ and jumped to 3♦ over partners 1♠.

jillybean, on 2011-May-24, 16:21, said:

I'm not sure that we should be in game. If the ♦KJ hadn't been doubleton , onside we'd be saying "good bid".

No, even if 3NT wasn't cold hopefully nobody would call a massive underbid like 3♦ a good bid. I would just rebid 3NT.

If the choice were between opening 2♣ and bidding 1♦ then 3♦ I would open 2♣ and I don't think it is close.

[Siegmund]

A tough choice. For me the system bid would be 2C-then-4D, even though that bid, showing an 8 1/2 or 9 trick "preempt" is usually a little more in distribution/suit quality and a little less in face cards. The problem is that removes any hope of 3NT. That might sway me into 2C-then-3D... or a crazy gamble on 1D-then-3NT at matchpoints...

Very close to what a 4D bid in 4th could look like, too - once again I hate that it shuts out 3NT. Just a tiny bit too strong for 3D.

[Cyberyeti]

Siegmund, on 2011-May-24, 21:32, said:

A tough choice. For me the system bid would be 2C-then-4D, even though that bid, showing an 8 1/2 or 9 trick "preempt" is usually a little more in distribution/suit quality and a little less in face cards. The problem is that removes any hope of 3NT. That might sway me into 2C-then-3D... or a crazy gamble on 1D-then-3NT at matchpoints...

Very close to what a 4D bid in 4th could look like, too - once again I hate that it shuts out 3NT. Just a tiny bit too strong for 3D.

Our auction would be ugly and odd.

1♦-1♠-2N(GF unbalanced)-3N(at least 5-5 blacks, 3♣ is bid on all unexceptional hands over which I'd intend 3♦) and probably end there, not best. 5♦ is horrid on a club lead if the leader doesn't have the K, but where you want to be otherwise.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1D - but if you can stop in 3D after a 2C opening, than 2C is ok,
the Single Ace and the Qx doubleton are certainly downgrading factors.

The question to answer is, what is your 2nd bid?

I would bid 3D, hoping, that the bidding does not end with my 3D
bid, and if it does, that we did not miss anything.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jillybean]

3♦, although an underbid seemed to be the best description. I thought the hand was too off shape for a NT bid and not quite good enough to insist on diamonds.

I see what 655321 is saying that he would rather open 2♣ than rebid 3♦ but why 3N and not 2N?

[helene_t]

jillybean, on 2011-May-25, 06:56, said:

3♦, although an underbid seemed to be the best description. I thought the hand was too off shape for a NT bid and not quite good enough to insist on diamonds.

I see what 655321 is saying that he would rather open 2♣ than rebid 3♦ but why 3N and not 2N?

A 2NT rebid shows 2-3 spades so with six spades p might insist on spades. A 3NT rebid says you just want to play 3NT except if p has a great hand for a diamond slam (knowing you have seven of them or a very good six).

[Hanoi5]

Over 1♠ I'd bid 2♥. 3♣ is another possibility. I prefer (and thought it was standard) to use the 3NT rebid to show a solid (or even semi-solid) opening suit and these diamonds, although seven, do not look solid to me. So, is the 3NT rebid that or just 'I have a bunch of good diamonds and enough for game but not exactly balanced'?