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Right or Wrong thing to do? Subbing back in disconnected players.

Poll: Should I have subbed back in the player? (44 member(s) have cast votes)

Should I have subbed back in the player?

  1. Yes- All directors should be required to do so. (3 votes [6.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.82%

  2. Yes- It's up to the director, but you should. (14 votes [31.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.82%

  3. No- It's up to the director, but you shouldn't. (19 votes [43.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.18%

  4. No- All directors should be forbidden to do so. (7 votes [15.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.91%

  5. Other/don't care. (1 votes [2.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.27%

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#41 User is offline   sceptic 

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Posted 2004-October-04, 03:01

I dont actually believe the soft ware is geared towards doing this, to do what you suggest you need the subs consent to be allowed to go from one table to another (unsure anyone would do this).

That means you would need a team of about 3-4 subs that are prepared to sit there waiting to fill in on a short term basis (this would become very tedious for them)

for what my opinion is worth, this really is making more work for the director, do it at your peril, because once you start doing it everyone will expect it. it will cause you nothing but grief.

Just say NO explain it in the tourney rules and tell em if they want tourneys run like that , then run their own. You will be opening a big can of worms (hope you understand that expression) it is not worth the bother
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Posted 2004-October-04, 05:16

Sceptic, if your response is to me, yes I know what opening a can of worms is :) What I don't know or understand is what you are trying to say in your post :)

If I opt not to have a sub, and have permission to leave the tournament, the director can get two subs to fill in the empty seats. I can see where that can be a problem though on a day where there are a lot of bad connections. You might not be responding to me, or we might not be on the same wavelength...
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Posted 2004-October-04, 05:36

I was putting my opinion in about jtfanclubs opening statment.


To put it in simple terms


DO NOT REPLACE ORIGINAL PARTNER

it is a pain in the butt.

I was not repsonding to your statement Rona, I only just started to read this thread and wanted to put my opinion in.

But if you play in my tourney and your pard gets disconnected, I would expect someone of your experience to get their own sub, if you turned round and said I wish to leave I do not want to play with a sub, I would prob put you on my black list and keep you out of my tournaments (but that is a personal opinion) prob not one shared by many, I only run the odd tourney for fun and if you have to play with subs occasionally so be it. it is a cross we all have to bear playing on-line.
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Posted 2004-October-04, 07:10

At this point, I give up :P
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Posted 2004-October-04, 18:47

My policy is simple for Fishy... time permitting I ask sub if they are willing to let original partner back in providing that original return in timely fashion and sub agree.

There are times when I will NOT return original - like if they boot more than 1 time then sub is staying.

I do make every effort to immediately sub gracious sub back into game.

In ACBLs where it is pay tournament our policy is very clear cut
Remaining parter can wait for 3 min and during this time they can pick own sub. After 3 min then TD can sub at will. Original partner gets seat back if they return within 2 boards/15 mins. We politely thank sub and replace original since they pay to play in this tournament. But we only replace back 1 time per tournament.
Gweny :-)
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Posted 2004-October-05, 09:22

Please consider this:

You are playing a wvery difficult Contract/Defence when one off the Opps disconnects,

you wait a moment and no problem

you wait a little longer, are you sure you still remember all tricks

you wait even longer, do you still remember your game plan and everything you figuerd out?

Waiting is highly unfair against the opps. They have to play faster to catch up the time.
I don't mind i make my mistakes fast, but there are players that actually play better if they have time to think.

There are no subs in real life bridge, because players usually don't run that often.

The software should be changen in the following way:

1) If a player disconnects, the boards should be canceled after 1 minute
the result wont be fair even with a sub, who doesnot know what happend. and the distortion to opps is not acceptable.

2) The timeout period, until a player gets fully red, must be much shorter in
tourneys. Players can sub their p themselves than.

3) If the remaining time in a round is too small to have the innocent side play the board under regular conditions the next board shoud be cancelt.

4) If a player does not sub his missing Partner within 5 minutes, he should be dismissed automatically.
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