[OSH]

MP, white V red opponents:
♠QJT32
♥95
♦Ax
♣10754

1♠-X-2♠-?

Apart from X, that would be for minors in this sequence, what is your choice?

[Flame]

Your opponents bid 2sp and you have 5 spades ? what exactly is the question, ofcourse you pass.
Bidding 3c hoping the opponents bid 3sp ?why not bid 7c hoping they bid 7sp ?

[Free]

I also don't see the problem here... PASS

[daswallow]

Easy pass.
There could be harder decisions later in the auction tho...

[scoob]

Flame, on Sep 13 2004, 09:53 AM, said:

Your opponents bid 2sp and you have 5 spades ? what exactly is the question, ofcourse you pass.
Bidding 3c hoping the opponents bid 3sp ?why not bid 7c hoping they bid 7sp ?

you know, it is entirely possible to answer someone's question without scathing rhetoric, you should try it some time, just for kicks.

[skorchev]

I'm PASS


Stefan

[luke warm]

i bid 3C for 2 reasons... one, my partner has clubs and two everybody else passed ...

[Flame]

scoob, on Sep 13 2004, 12:17 PM, said:

Flame, on Sep 13 2004, 09:53 AM, said:

Your opponents bid 2sp and you have 5 spades ? what exactly is the question, ofcourse you pass.
Bidding 3c hoping the opponents bid 3sp ?why not bid 7c hoping they bid 7sp ?

you know, it is entirely possible to answer someone's question without scathing rhetoric, you should try it some time, just for kicks.

Well it was just my way to explain that i think 3c is very wrong.
Its atleast partly due to my bad english.
Im sorry if it offended anyone.

[Free]

Flame, on Sep 13 2004, 08:47 PM, said:

scoob, on Sep 13 2004, 12:17 PM, said:

Flame, on Sep 13 2004, 09:53 AM, said:

Your opponents bid 2sp and you have 5 spades ? what exactly is the question, ofcourse you pass.
Bidding 3c hoping the opponents bid 3sp ?why not bid 7c hoping they bid 7sp ?

you know, it is entirely possible to answer someone's question without scathing rhetoric, you should try it some time, just for kicks.

Well it was just my way to explain that i think 3c is very wrong.
Its atleast partly due to my bad english.
Im sorry if it offended anyone.

I like a bit of irony keep up the nice posts

[flytoox]

luke warm, on Sep 13 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

i bid 3C for 2 reasons... one, my partner has clubs and two everybody else passed ...

another possibility, opps take the push and bid 3s, then u will dbl:)

[pclayton]

flytoox, on Sep 13 2004, 12:04 PM, said:

luke warm, on Sep 13 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

i bid 3C for 2 reasons... one, my partner has clubs and two everybody else passed ...

another possibility, opps take the push and bid 3s, then u will dbl:)

I don't know that the vulnerable opponents will be kind enough to keep bidding spades on minimum values and 8 trump. Who will take the push? Opener holds 5 spades (5 card majors right?), and I don't see any reason with my 5224 that the cards are really wild around the table. Put pard on a likely 0454. This leaves 5422 opposite 3343 or maybe 5332 / 3433, or less likely 5512 opposite 3253. In any event, they don't have a huge 2nd fit, nor a lot of shortness.

I think the field will face a similar problem, and I think passing 2♠ hoping for +200 or +500 looks right to me.

[flytoox]

pclayton, on Sep 13 2004, 09:49 PM, said:

flytoox, on Sep 13 2004, 12:04 PM, said:

luke warm, on Sep 13 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

i bid 3C for 2 reasons... one, my partner has clubs and two everybody else passed ...

another possibility, opps take the push and bid 3s, then u will dbl:)

I don't know that the vulnerable opponents will be kind enough to keep bidding spades on minimum values and 8 trump. Who will take the push? Opener holds 5 spades (5 card majors right?), and I don't see any reason with my 5224 that the cards are really wild around the table. Put pard on a likely 0454. This leaves 5422 opposite 3343 or maybe 5332 / 3433, or less likely 5512 opposite 3253. In any event, they don't have a huge 2nd fit, nor a lot of shortness.

I think the field will face a similar problem, and I think passing 2♠ hoping for +200 or +500 looks right to me.

Opp do not necessary have min. Pd may have min for his takeout dbl, coz he has good shape. On the other hand, Red vs white may push the opp, 3cx-1 is 100, 2s= is 110. I would say 80% time opps will take the push.

[Flame]

First of all i really dont think you should do all this kind of what if thinking, just like when you have 12 hcp and 5 card spades you open 1sp, you dont start thiking, they will bid 2c my partner probebly have hearts and will bid 2h then...
Here its simple they bid your suit, you got tons of diffence so just pass.
But i will tell you how i think it would go, if you bid 3c there are two choices, either the fit is bad, partner has 3 clubs, or a poor diffensive 4 card, opponents will not bid again and 3c will go down just as 2sp would. The second possibility , partner has good fit, nice offinsive hand, they will find their way to 3sp, but partner with a spade void and good fit will never let them play there, he will bid 4c which will go down.
Now lets see what happend if you pass, either they keep on bidding, or it get to partner's which has a spade void and therefore very likely to double it for takout, now you can pass.

[luke warm]

flytoox, on Sep 13 2004, 10:04 PM, said:

luke warm, on Sep 13 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

i bid 3C for 2 reasons... one, my partner has clubs and two everybody else passed ...

another possibility, opps take the push and bid 3s, then u will dbl:)

don't tell anyone, but that's my thinking

[pclayton]

flytoox, on Sep 13 2004, 02:33 PM, said:

pclayton, on Sep 13 2004, 09:49 PM, said:

flytoox, on Sep 13 2004, 12:04 PM, said:

luke warm, on Sep 13 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

i bid 3C for 2 reasons... one, my partner has clubs and two everybody else passed ...

another possibility, opps take the push and bid 3s, then u will dbl:)

I don't know that the vulnerable opponents will be kind enough to keep bidding spades on minimum values and 8 trump. Who will take the push? Opener holds 5 spades (5 card majors right?), and I don't see any reason with my 5224 that the cards are really wild around the table. Put pard on a likely 0454. This leaves 5422 opposite 3343 or maybe 5332 / 3433, or less likely 5512 opposite 3253. In any event, they don't have a huge 2nd fit, nor a lot of shortness.

I think the field will face a similar problem, and I think passing 2♠ hoping for +200 or +500 looks right to me.

Opp do not necessary have min. Pd may have min for his takeout dbl, coz he has good shape. On the other hand, Red vs white may push the opp, 3cx-1 is 100, 2s= is 110. I would say 80% time opps will take the push.

80% take the push with balanced 8 trump and red!!!!!???????????

I want to play in this game.

[OSH]

flytoox, on Sep 13 2004, 11:33 PM, said:

pclayton, on Sep 13 2004, 09:49 PM, said:

flytoox, on Sep 13 2004, 12:04 PM, said:

luke warm, on Sep 13 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

i bid 3C for 2 reasons... one, my partner has clubs and two everybody else passed ...

another possibility, opps take the push and bid 3s, then u will dbl:)

I don't know that the vulnerable opponents will be kind enough to keep bidding spades on minimum values and 8 trump. Who will take the push? Opener holds 5 spades (5 card majors right?), and I don't see any reason with my 5224 that the cards are really wild around the table. Put pard on a likely 0454. This leaves 5422 opposite 3343 or maybe 5332 / 3433, or less likely 5512 opposite 3253. In any event, they don't have a huge 2nd fit, nor a lot of shortness.

I think the field will face a similar problem, and I think passing 2♠ hoping for +200 or +500 looks right to me.

Opp do not necessary have min. Pd may have min for his takeout dbl, coz he has good shape. On the other hand, Red vs white may push the opp, 3cx-1 is 100, 2s= is 110. I would say 80% time opps will take the push.

Nice comments, pard actually had 0454 and opps 5332 / 3433.
Not 80% of the field took the push, but my problem was that not all the pairs play X for minors now, so if pard can't reopen I will loose also to the pairs that will play 2SPX.
The other problem is (I remember some threads on this matter) that after:
1SP-X-2SP-P
P-, pard has a void in spades, and I fear that she is going to bid 3D instead of double again.

For Flame: no problems!