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## Tempted by the pips?

### #1gnasher

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Posted 2011-April-13, 05:51

1094 J1095 K QJ1097
Both vul, IMPs. Partner opens 1NT, 15-17.
Your methods (a variant of Heeman) allow you to show four hearts and 5+ clubs, invitational.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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### #2mcphee

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Posted 2011-April-13, 06:10

So you toss it around a bit a reason that maybe 4H could have a shot, this would be the first good luck step if we try 2C. Then we consider and invite, or simply bid game? Is an invite worth it when even some minimums produce game? What happens when we hear 2D over 2C now because of this toy we get to show an invite with C and 4H? This is great when partner has the C fit, when even having it he may never get to enjoy the suit in NT. If this one makes game they may not bid it at the other table I do not see this is the right sort of hand to hope to land in the 4-4 H fit and then also hope we have a shot to make 10 tricks.
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### #3gnasher

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Posted 2011-April-13, 06:41

mcphee, on 2011-April-13, 06:10, said:

What happens when we hear 2D over 2C now because of this toy we get to show an invite with C and 4H?

You're not playing Stayman. 2 would force 2, then 3 would show specifically 4 hearts and 5+ clubs, invitational.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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### #4whereagles

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Posted 2011-April-13, 07:16

vuln at imps, all those pips and you have a gadget available?

no brainer: put the wheels at work
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### #5OleBerg

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Posted 2011-April-13, 07:50

Pass.

If I have to make a tough invite, I'd do it in NT, where all those pips are more likely to pull their weight.
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Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.

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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

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### #6JLOGIC

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Posted 2011-April-13, 12:45

not tempted
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### #7han

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Posted 2011-April-13, 13:59

Me neither, I like the 10s but the rest is bad.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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### #8cherdano

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Posted 2011-April-13, 18:34

han, on 2011-April-13, 13:59, said:

Me neither, I like the 10s but the rest is bad.

No appreciation for 9s coming along with the tens? But they still don't beat the negative of a stiff king and slow suits for NT, lack of controls for 4.
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### #9han

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Posted 2011-April-14, 04:00

There is also the general lack of high cards.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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### #10FrancesHinden

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Posted 2011-April-14, 11:19

han, on 2011-April-14, 04:00, said:

There is also the general lack of high cards.

That is what puts me off.
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