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GIB should NEVER, EVER correct the 2♣ opener on what contract should be played at the 6-level or above. I would have pulled to 7♠, except I needed a 6-level contract. 6♠ is cold, and I normally would bid that directly, except with a similar hand earlier this game GIB raised to 7; I used a redo on that hand...
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Posted 2011-April-08, 19:51
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Posted 2011-April-09, 00:43
chasetb, on 2011-April-08, 19:51, said:
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GIB should NEVER, EVER correct the 2♣ opener on what contract should be played at the 6-level or above. I would have pulled to 7♠, except I needed a 6-level contract. 6♠ is cold, and I normally would bid that directly, except with a similar hand earlier this game GIB raised to 7; I used a redo on that hand...
GIB should NEVER, EVER correct the 2♣ opener on what contract should be played at the 6-level or above. I would have pulled to 7♠, except I needed a 6-level contract. 6♠ is cold, and I normally would bid that directly, except with a similar hand earlier this game GIB raised to 7; I used a redo on that hand...
GIB probably thought you had a real 2C opening.
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Posted 2011-April-09, 04:44
the hog, on 2011-April-09, 00:43, said:
GIB probably thought you had a real 2C opening.
10+ tricks is not enought to open 2♣?
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Posted 2011-April-09, 05:23
The problem lies in its definition of the 5♠ bid. 5+ spades and 19+ HCP. With those parameters it is not surprising that the simulations show that 6NT make more often than 6♠.
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Posted 2011-April-09, 17:55
Bbradley62, on 2011-April-09, 04:44, said:
10+ tricks is not enought to open 2♣?
Could you guarantee to defeat an opposing rounded suit game contract with this hand? If not, I would not open 2C.
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Posted 2011-April-11, 14:57
We looked at this hand.
The opinion is, you should have bid 4S over 3C because you do have 17. A human probably will understand what you mean, but the robot will assume 2C means 23+ because it is coded like that.
Here, GIB N bid 6C because he can't think of a good way to show his points. (Uday calls this a non bid)
When you bid 6S, 6S also appears as a helluva lotta points. (Uday calls this a non bid also) A human will probably pass here, but GIB is not a human, and he is sticking to the idea of 23+ points.
So he considers the scoring (Total Points), and then decides 6NT will give more points than 6S, all assuming you have 23+ points, which makes any small slam good.
So then he puts you in 6NT.
Hope this helps.
The opinion is, you should have bid 4S over 3C because you do have 17. A human probably will understand what you mean, but the robot will assume 2C means 23+ because it is coded like that.
Here, GIB N bid 6C because he can't think of a good way to show his points. (Uday calls this a non bid)
When you bid 6S, 6S also appears as a helluva lotta points. (Uday calls this a non bid also) A human will probably pass here, but GIB is not a human, and he is sticking to the idea of 23+ points.
So he considers the scoring (Total Points), and then decides 6NT will give more points than 6S, all assuming you have 23+ points, which makes any small slam good.
So then he puts you in 6NT.
Hope this helps.
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Posted 2011-April-11, 15:14
I think we should focus on the positive and compliment GIB for a fine opening lead 
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Posted 2011-April-12, 14:48
This is a huge basic problem. Total points and high card points are different animals. With 33 total points, 6NT is not guaranteed at all.
6NT usually has some play with 33 HCP, but not total points. In the program, gib simply ignores the difference.
Suppose you open 7S with 13 spades, your gib would correct to 7NT with any cards if this logic applies because you showed 37+ total points.
6NT usually has some play with 33 HCP, but not total points. In the program, gib simply ignores the difference.
Suppose you open 7S with 13 spades, your gib would correct to 7NT with any cards if this logic applies because you showed 37+ total points.
Rain, on 2011-April-11, 14:57, said:
We looked at this hand.
The opinion is, you should have bid 4S over 3C because you do have 17. A human probably will understand what you mean, but the robot will assume 2C means 23+ because it is coded like that.
Here, GIB N bid 6C because he can't think of a good way to show his points. (Uday calls this a non bid)
When you bid 6S, 6S also appears as a helluva lotta points. (Uday calls this a non bid also) A human will probably pass here, but GIB is not a human, and he is sticking to the idea of 23+ points.
So he considers the scoring (Total Points), and then decides 6NT will give more points than 6S, all assuming you have 23+ points, which makes any small slam good.
So then he puts you in 6NT.
Hope this helps.
The opinion is, you should have bid 4S over 3C because you do have 17. A human probably will understand what you mean, but the robot will assume 2C means 23+ because it is coded like that.
Here, GIB N bid 6C because he can't think of a good way to show his points. (Uday calls this a non bid)
When you bid 6S, 6S also appears as a helluva lotta points. (Uday calls this a non bid also) A human will probably pass here, but GIB is not a human, and he is sticking to the idea of 23+ points.
So he considers the scoring (Total Points), and then decides 6NT will give more points than 6S, all assuming you have 23+ points, which makes any small slam good.
So then he puts you in 6NT.
Hope this helps.
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