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Posted 2011-March-28, 15:11

15-17 NT 2♥ showing ♥ & ♠

1N (2♥*) 2♠

How do you play 2♠ here?
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Posted 2011-March-28, 15:25

MSS seems the most useful when opps have shown the majors. We still have double for coop, 2NT for weak one-minor, and direct minor for length and force.
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Posted 2011-March-28, 15:28

To play.
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Posted 2011-March-28, 16:05

To play as well unless they showed five, then minors.
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Posted 2011-March-28, 16:44

natural. I don't think they really ever show 5; like the philosopher Greg House said "everybody lies".
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Posted 2011-March-28, 18:03

Ok, what does partner do after a 2 suit overcall, holding game forcing values and a stopper in only one of the two suits?
1N (2H*) 2S could be used as a stopper cue bid
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Posted 2011-March-28, 18:34

In this sequence, I like and play in some partnerships that 2♠ is one or both minors, weak or GF. Opener bids 2NT with a preference for diamonds over clubs.
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Posted 2011-March-29, 03:05

Interesting. Without prior discussion I would assume same as over 2♣ showing majors : dbl heart stopper, 2♠ Spade stopper (3♥ and 3♠ show shortage ). Lebensohl on
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Posted 2011-March-29, 09:55

The question I would ask, when deciding with pard what 2♠ should show would be:

What is the relative likelihood <_< that responder will have a hand which wishes to play in exactly two of a suit RHO has at least 4 of --versus the liklihood of having some other holding which could make use of the bid and cannot really be handled in another way?
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Posted 2011-March-29, 12:43

Stopper, MSS, all these suggestions seem legit as long as you think to discuss it in advance.

However, the way to show spades is to double and lead a heart.
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Posted 2011-March-29, 13:40

Strong suggestion: don't get involved in stopper showing (or asking) when an opponent has shown 2 known suits, especially when 3NT is overwhelmingly likely to be the only game contract that has a chance - just bid 3NT instead.

The point is that you do not want to give 4th hand a chance to tell his partner which of the 2 suits he prefers to have led. Another risk of going slowly is that this sometimes gives the opponents a chance to investigate the possibility of sacrificing over 3NT (and when the "sacrifice" is 4 of a major and it happens to make, that is really something you would rather avoid).

Winning bridge is not only about getting to the "right contract". You still get to keep your game bonus for bidding and making 3NT when they fail to find the killing lead.

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Posted 2011-March-29, 13:52

Natural and non forcing.
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Posted 2011-March-29, 17:01

View Postfred, on 2011-March-29, 13:40, said:

Strong suggestion: don't get involved in stopper showing (or asking) when an opponent has shown 2 known suits, especially when 3NT is overwhelmingly likely to be the only game contract that has a chance - just bid 3NT instead.

The point is that you do not want to give 4th hand a chance to tell his partner which of the 2 suits he prefers to have led. Another risk of going slowly is that this sometimes gives the opponents a chance to investigate the possibility of sacrificing over 3NT (and when the "sacrifice" is 4 of a major and it happens to make, that is really something you would rather avoid).

Winning bridge is not only about getting to the "right contract". You still get to keep your game bonus for bidding and making 3NT when they fail to find the killing lead.

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Posted 2011-March-29, 20:44

Thanks, I will try it and see if I can convince my partner too. :)
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