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Where is the queen?

Poll: Where is the queen? (14 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you play clubs?

  1. Ace and run the 9 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. King and run the jack (5 votes [35.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  3. Run the Jack directly (9 votes [64.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2011-March-26, 08:50



This is match points, so the overtrick matters a lot.

Opponents lead 9, assuming west assists to 2 rounds of the pointed suit(s) you wanna test, how do you tackle the club?
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Posted 2011-March-26, 09:15

so both pointed suits appear to be 2-4 and we play three rounds? Then I would play E for the queen as I can't afford to lose the lead to him. Also clubs are probably 2-3 so it is a 60% chance.
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Posted 2011-March-26, 09:55

So if I read this correctly, West bid 3 and follows to two rounds of both spades and diamonds? On the diamonds, no Jack to Ten has shown. Is this correct? Also, East has not dropped the JT on the first two rounds of spades (eliminating, 4=2 spade split with four in West).

The only time cashing top club then hook East is necessary is if East holds four clubs and West a singleton Queen. For that to happen, the hand would have to be something like East 2=3=4=4. I suspect (it is not for certain) that with this hand, East's two spades are likely JT doubleton unless EW play 2nd highest leads (no mention of that). So to probtect against a 1=4 club split with stiff queen (20% chance), you give up on picking up four to the queen with East (80% of 1-4 splits).

So without a lot of further thought, I will take the first round hook in clubs through East. After all, it is just matchpoints. :)

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Posted 2011-March-26, 13:11

yeah, run jack. Digs out Q fourth.
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Posted 2011-March-26, 13:49

Obv cash the ace since this was posted on the forums!

You did well not to pass 3H X.
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Posted 2011-March-26, 14:16

GIB says there's only an 10.91% chance of Q singleton with West, and another 7.27% chance of West having Qx, assuming West has 7 for the 3 pre-empt. Give West 8 of them, and only a 10% chance of a singleton Q. So percentage screams hooking East the first round. Of course, since you posted this hand, it must be correct to drop that pesky Queen-gleton.
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Posted 2011-March-26, 16:40

obviously east has more average clubs, the problem is how do you weight against a random opp the fact that he overcalled 3 with only 4 HCP if he doesn't hold the queen.
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Posted 2011-March-26, 16:42

View PostFluffy, on 2011-March-26, 16:40, said:

obviously east has more average clubs, the problem is how do you weight against a random opp the fact that he overcalled 3 with only 4 HCP if he doesn't hold the queen.

He's W/R at MPs.
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Posted 2011-March-26, 18:45

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2011-March-26, 16:42, said:

He's W/R at MPs.


Exactly. In fact, I wiould not necessarily even credit him with seven hearts, chances has to be close to equal that he has only six at this vul and at matchpoints.
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Posted 2011-March-27, 05:22

View PostFluffy, on 2011-March-26, 16:40, said:

obviously east has more average clubs, the problem is how do you weight against a random opp the fact that he overcalled 3 with only 4 HCP if he doesn't hold the queen.


I do not weight this at all
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Posted 2011-March-27, 05:41

I don't think anyone would bid 3 with xx K98xxxx xx Qx but not with xx K98xxxx xx xx.
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Posted 2011-March-27, 13:46

View PostFluffy, on 2011-March-26, 16:40, said:

obviously east has more average clubs, the problem is how do you weight against a random opp the fact that he overcalled 3 with only 4 HCP if he doesn't hold the queen.


well, come on.. no good player worries about hcp requirements when the ODR and vulnerability are right :D

Just play the odds.
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Posted 2011-March-29, 02:44

View PostFluffy, on 2011-March-26, 16:40, said:

obviously east has more average clubs, the problem is how do you weight against a random opp the fact that he overcalled 3 with only 4 HCP if he doesn't hold the queen.

Well, with J and J he has 6HCP which is enough to preempt. He doesn't need Q to get to the required 6HCP NV vs V... :P
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