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Forcing? or non-forcing ?

#1 User is offline   20Hereford 

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Posted 2011-March-20, 13:04

My bridge friends who play 2/1 have been having a discussion about which of the following bidding sequences are forcing. Input would be greatly appreciated. There is no bidding from the opponents.
Example 1. 1 - 1NT, 2. Is 2 forcing?
Example 2. 1 - 1, 1NT - 2. Is 2 forcing?
Example 3. 1 - 1, 1-2. Is 2 forcing?
Example 4. 1 - 1, 1NT - 2. Is 2 forcing?
Example 5. 1 - 1, 2. Is 2 forcing?
Example 6. 1 - 1, 2. Is 2 forcing?

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Posted 2011-March-20, 13:30

Example 1. Non-forcing, but seldom passed in reality.
Example 2. New Minor Forcing. Artificial and forcing one round.
Example 3. Non-forcing. Responder has no more than 9-10 points.
Example 4. Non-forcing.
Example 5. Non-forcing?
Example 6. Non-forcing, but seldom passed in reality.
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Posted 2011-March-20, 13:35

1. Some play this as conventional (gazilli) which is forcing, but if it is a natural bid then it is 11-17(18) like in other natural systems, except that playing 2/1 in most styles is can be a 3-card suit. Anyway, not forcing.

2. Most play this as some kind of convention (CBS, NMF, XYZ, Magister, Crowhurst or w/e) which is forcing. If it is natural then it is not forcing. This isn't related to whether you play 2/1 or not, it is a separate issue.

3. No not forcing, just 6-9 or such. In any natural system.

4. Not forcing. If you play the 2 bid in (2) as conventional then 2 is a sign-off, if not then 2 has a wider range, like 6-11 points. Again, this is not related to whether you play 2/1 or not.

5. No, this shows a minimum opener with six hearts, responder will often pass.

6. No (unless you play it as a convention but that is far from standard). 11-17(18) and not forcing. As in other natural systems. Again, it is not related to whether you play 2/1 or not.
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Posted 2011-March-20, 15:46

I agree with all the answers above, and would say that all are non-forcing unless agreed otherwise.

Certainly it is useful for responder to be able to make a "nothing to do with clubs" forcing bid of 2 in sequence 2, such as new minor forcing, as this enables inferences such as in helene's comments on sequence 4, but if the 1NT is a defined limited range, such as 12-14, and denies 6 hearts or another 4 card suit, then it is good to be able to bid 2 to play. So it depends on the rest of the system.

As to "2 seldom passed in reality" even if it is not conventional, this is simply because responder will of course give preference to hearts unless there is a good reason not to. It is not forcing at all.
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Posted 2011-March-21, 00:45

Hi,

#0 In short - 2/1 seq. are fairly similar to standard seq., as long as you have no
2/1 response.

#1 No - unless, you play 2C as artifical, otherwise seq. with a forcing NT are
similar to seq. with a standard 1 NT response, and in standard 2C would be NF

#2 Yes, new suits by responder are forcing, most would play 2C as artifical (e.g. NMF)

#3 No - see #0

#4 Yes, see #2 - but if you play 2C as NWF, than 2H is usally played as NF

#5 No - see #0

#6 No - see #0

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