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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:04

You are Not Vulnerable they are
You are playing IMPS.
Your system is some version of SAYC
As dealer you hold

♠T752
♥AT93
♦void
♣K9753

and you successfully resist the urge to preempt 2♦ or open 1 of anything so the auction proceeds

You LHO CHO RHO
P    P    1♣    1♥
X    2♥   P      P
?

Do you take a non-pass call?
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:14

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but...

Partner has <4♠, since they didn't bid 2♠
Partner probably has a stiff/void in hearts, 2 on a bad day.
Partner has more clubs than diamonds probably.
Partner didn't double 2♥, they may not even have 3♠...

This means at worst, we are facing a 3244 type hand. I'm quite tempted by 4♣, I think game will certainly have play opposite most hands, but I also don't want to get too high... Although if partner has concentration in ♦, I expect them to have opened 1♦, so it looks like we're facing a 3244 without much wastage, a 3145 with a bit of wastage, or 2146 or something.

I feel like I'm missing something, but it seems like 4♣ is a winner.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:17

I would rather bid 5♣ than pass.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:30

View Postcherdano, on 2011-March-04, 13:17, said:

I would rather bid 5♣ than pass.



Are you dithering or are you calling? :)
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:41

I'm not gonna punish partner for a potentially light third-seat opening. 3♣.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:46

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-March-04, 13:41, said:

I'm not gonna punish partner for a potentially light third-seat opening. 3♣.


How many ♥ do you think partner has? How many ♠?
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:47

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-March-04, 13:30, said:

Are you dithering or are you calling? :)



View Postpooltuna, on 2011-March-04, 13:46, said:

How many ♥ do you think partner has? How many ♠?

Rather than making more cryptic posts, how about you tell us whether we are playing support doubles here?
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:49

View Postcherdano, on 2011-March-04, 13:47, said:

Rather than making more cryptic posts, how about you tell us whether we are playing support doubles here?

No support doubles
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:53

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-March-04, 13:46, said:

How many ♥ do you think partner has? How many ♠?
Partner is most likely 3145. Still don't want to punish him for opening Jxx, x, KJxx, AQxxx in third seat.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 13:54

BBradley, That's why I bid 4♣ and not 5.

If you were playing support doubles then there is an even bigger case for bidding 5.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 14:01

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-March-04, 13:53, said:

Partner is most likely 3145. Still don't want to punish him for opening Jxx, x, KJxx, AQxxx in third seat.


You would really open that in 3rd seat? IMO it is opening the door for the opponents I would try to get the hand passed out unless you play KS or equivalent where you are screwed into opening it. To paraphrase JLoll "competing in the minors vacuums" :)
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Posted 2011-March-04, 14:05

5♣
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Posted 2011-March-04, 14:08

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-March-04, 13:46, said:

How many ♥ do you think partner has? How many ♠?

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2011-March-04, 13:54, said:

BBradley, That's why I bid 4♣ and not 5.

If you were playing support doubles then there is an even bigger case for bidding 5.

Sorry, still happy with 3♣ for now.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 14:42

View Postkenrexford, on 2011-March-04, 14:05, said:

5♣


Good choice! I didn't mind Adam's 4♣ but I've had too many cowards for pickup partners :)
Partner had

♠KJx
♥K
♦xxxx
♣AQxxx
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Posted 2011-March-04, 14:47

3♣. Surely nobody would pass, but since we are not playing support doubles partner is limited by his failure to double 2♥. I will compete to 4♣ if they bid 3♥.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 15:04

A prosaic 3♣ for me...
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Posted 2011-March-04, 15:27

4♣. This should be forcing, 'cept I'm a PH. Pard will work it out.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 15:31

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2011-March-04, 13:14, said:

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but...

Partner has <4♠, since they didn't bid 2♠
Partner probably has a stiff/void in hearts, 2 on a bad day.
Partner has more clubs than diamonds probably.
Partner didn't double 2♥, they may not even have 3♠...

This means at worst, we are facing a 3244 type hand. I'm quite tempted by 4♣, I think game will certainly have play opposite most hands, but I also don't want to get too high... Although if partner has concentration in ♦, I expect them to have opened 1♦, so it looks like we're facing a 3244 without much wastage, a 3145 with a bit of wastage, or 2146 or something.

I feel like I'm missing something, but it seems like 4♣ is a winner.


Adam, meet Marshall Miles. Against him partner might have THREE hearts :)
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Posted 2011-March-04, 15:35

View PostPhil, on 2011-March-04, 15:31, said:

Adam, meet Marshall Miles. Against him partner might have THREE hearts :)

Heh, yes, my reasoning would be void against a few people. If I was playing against myself, I'd have no idea what I had.
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