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How do you play this decider? Plan your play

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Posted 2004-September-05, 10:17

Scoring: IMP


Bidding went:
RHO You LHO P
1S P P X
P 2H P 3C
P 3NT AP

You might not like the bidding but here you are in 3nt on the last board of a close match.

West leads 2 of S (normally promises an honor). Plan the play
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Posted 2004-September-05, 13:06

think i'd try leading ♥Q after winning ♠K... lho can't profitably return a spade (i don't think).. at the right time i duck a club so i am sure of having an entry... my only real worry is a diamond return should my Q♥ lose to the K on my left
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Posted 2004-September-06, 05:39

you may need an entry to dummy later, I prefer to lead ♥9.

At start I thoug about leading ♣J, but it doesn´t work, opponents will play another ♣ and you are gonna be self-squeezed.
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Posted 2004-September-06, 06:04

No i think ♣ jack in 2 trick would work, 5♣-2♠-1♦1♥=9
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Posted 2004-September-06, 06:24

I play small ♦ to the 10, and later on I'll try to finesse in ♣
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Posted 2004-September-06, 07:38

♣JACK.. they must let his hold, or you have enough tricks, and clubs must split 4-1, Don't lead a club again (unless all else fails. Now you have 2S + 3C + slow diamond, and 6 sure tricks. I will now play heart to the ACE and heart back to the queen.
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Posted 2004-September-06, 08:12

Ben, I think you overlooked something. If you lead ♣J, they take and play a ♣ back, you might be screwed if ♥K is behind the Q... And you'll have to cash your ♣ immediatly squeezing yourself in 3 suits.
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Posted 2004-September-06, 10:07

fluffy's line of leading the ♥9 might be superior to my Q... i was playing rho for one of the honors anyway, and the 9 has as much chance of drawing the K on my left as the Q does... the difference is when the K is on my right... then, when he covers, i have an overtrick... this also seems to cater to a stiff J or K in either place
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Posted 2004-September-06, 11:12

I still think the same, ♣J will lead to self squeeze.... or even to just lose 5 quick tricks: 1♠, 1♥, 2♦, 1♣

Its very possible you will need ♣Q onside to win this one.

♥9 is not a great improve, but it should be hard for LHO to switch to ♦ with any of his holdings.
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Posted 2004-September-06, 16:47

I don't like the CJ because RHO wins, leads a spade thru, LHO wins and plays a heart, setting up trick 5 for the defense.

LHO will seldom have the heart K&J and a spade honor for his pass, so I'm beginning to like the H9 lead too.
I tend to lead fourth best - as opposed to the best suit, the second best suit, or the third best suit for our side
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Posted 2004-September-07, 04:32

I think Paul is right in his analysis of the danger of C duck.
A spade through is much more dangerous than a club return, as you have only 8 tricks in form of 2 spades, 1 heart and 5 clubs, while they are already establishing their fifth.
The self squeeze defence is not going to work as declarer can painlessly pitch diamonds (and 2 idle hearts) from hand while the opponents cannot safely attack the diamonds without establishing the ninth trick there.
I think heart play at trick 2 is clear.
Btw, can someone explain why a play of H9 is better than HQ?
I think it is quite likely for RHO to hold the HK and the lead of HQ can't lose.
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Posted 2004-September-07, 06:02

still dont see any reason jack of ♣ wont work in trick 2, opps cant take 5 imitate tricks, they only have 4, and the have to give me the 9th if they like it or not when i ceep playing ♦ every time so thats still my play.


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Posted 2004-September-07, 14:08

helium, on Sep 7 2004, 12:02 PM, said:

still dont see any reason jack of ♣ wont work in trick 2, opps cant take 5 imitate tricks, they only have 4, and the have to give me the 9th if they like it or not when i ceep playing ♦ every time so thats still my play.


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We have explained 2 reason, and both of them has been explained twice at least I think :)

First one: auto-squeeze

a ♣ back after ♣J loses to ♣Q forces you to win all the ♣ prematurelly forcing your hand to 4 unsuccesfull discards.

Second one: 5 trick quick losss:

♣J loses to ♣Q offside, next comes a ♠ to the ♠Q and a ♥to the ♥J, for a total of 5 losers.
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Posted 2004-September-07, 17:53

laughter, on Sep 7 2004, 12:32 PM, said:

I think Paul is right in his analysis of the danger of C duck.
A spade through is much more dangerous than a club return, as you have only 8 tricks in form of 2 spades, 1 heart and 5 clubs, while they are already establishing their fifth.
The self squeeze defence is not going to work as declarer can painlessly pitch diamonds (and 2 idle hearts) from hand while the opponents cannot safely attack the diamonds without establishing the ninth trick there.
I think heart play at trick 2 is clear.
Btw, can someone explain why a play of H9 is better than HQ?
I think it is quite likely for RHO to hold the HK and the lead of HQ can't lose.

that was my thought when i said i'd play the ♥Q... the only real drawback to it is the same drawback to *not* ducking a club.. entry problems.. fluffy is thinking that the Q can be an entry to dummy, and he may be right...
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Posted 2004-September-08, 02:22

Time for the full hand and what happened in the match...



At table 1: Declarer won the K of S and tried the J of clubs, East pounced and returned the 8 of S covered by the 10, J. West went into a trance (after all a H return is into declarer's main suit) and return a S! East was then caught in a strip squeeze at the ending, 10 tricks made.

At table 2: Declarer too won the K of S and promptly cashed the AK of clubs! 10 tricks! Push board!

As can be concluded on the thread, I think the right play on this hand will be to go after the H at trick 2 ( 9 or Q is the same here) with a timely finesse in clubs later.

It was suggested that J of clubs and when East returns a S go up with the ace and run the clubs would work. I leave the analysis to you but a delightful ending will see the defence come up on top. (Try it it's nice) :P
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Posted 2004-September-08, 05:33

bridgeboy, on Sep 8 2004, 04:22 AM, said:

I leave the analysis to you but a delightful ending will see the defence come up on top. (Try it it's nice) :P

The timely finesse in clubs may not be so stellar if EAST ducks duck club jack smoothly, particularily if he had KJ8x instead of KJxx of hearts.
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